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My student (attended AIM) was deferred from EA, completed Dodmerb, has been in regular contact with Admissions officer…still no word in Bears Den account. If a student is wait listed or, is offered a prep school slot do those decisions also come via Bears Den? Good luck to all those still waiting!
 
My DD was RA and didn't get much contact until March 27. Waiting is...
 
TravelingSpider said:
My student (attended AIM) was deferred from EA, completed Dodmerb, has been in regular contact with Admissions officer…still no word in Bears Den account. If a student is wait listed or, is offered a prep school slot do those decisions also come via Bears Den? Good luck to all those still waiting!
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Same!! It's killing us. 😀
 
We are in the same boat. My DS has been accepted to all his top school choices (plans B, C, and D). Hoping for a 4yr AROTC scholarship that would make plan B or C a lot more affordable but really just hoping that plan A, an appointment to the USCGA, would come through!
 
TravelingSpider said:
My student (attended AIM) was deferred from EA, completed Dodmerb, has been in regular contact with Admissions officer…still no word in Bears Den account. If a student is wait listed or, is offered a prep school slot do those decisions also come via Bears Den? Good luck to all those still waiting!
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Of course there are no guarantees, but Scholars and wait list spot notifications have tended to come close to the end of the decision timeline (along with some hate appointments so not hearing till the end doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t get an appointment). And then denial notifications are usually the very last thing to come. Hang in there! During my son’s cycle (class of ‘25), he applied EA and heard in early December. I was so grateful. He was okay, but the waiting was such torture for me. And yes, all decisions appear in the same manner.
 
RJB1690 said:
Of course there are no guarantees, but Scholars and wait list spot notifications have tended to come close to the end of the decision timeline (along with some hate appointments so not hearing till the end doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t get appointment).
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LATE appointments, obviously. Good grief!
 
Waiting here in suburban Philadelphia, too!

He applied EA and was deferred for a second look with the RD cohort.

4-year NROTC, AFROTC, & ROTC (all for engineering) are locked on & single reason DQ waiver granted for all 3 programs & USMMA. Already accepted at a number of excellent schools, he would just have to pick which uniform he’s going to wear.

A more detailed Bears Den portal would definitely help with the waiting game, especially those getting their second look this cycle.
 
Just a little word of encouragement.... my cadet got a phone call on March 31, 11:15pm Eastern time (we are on the west coast, so 8:15pm our time) with a full offer. Currently thriving at the academy. So obviously no guarantees, but just know they DO give out acceptances at the very.last.minute.
 
acecreator71 said:
Just a little word of encouragement.... my cadet got a phone call on March 31, 11:15pm Eastern time (we are on the west coast, so 8:15pm our time) with a full offer. Currently thriving at the academy. So obviously no guarantees, but just know they DO give out acceptances at the very.last.minute.
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Northwoods said:
FWIW, way I figure it, the longer you go without a hard no, the better the chances are of a yes (or a maybe like the wait list). If you weren't at least potentially acceptable they'd have turned you down already.
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Not to challenge this (cause I want to believe for my DS' sake who's waiting RA after EA deferral), but is there any evidence this is how it works?

I know some EA applicants reported outright rejections in Dec. Have any EA deferrals who requested RA consideration been outright rejected already this cycle?
 
And we thought waiting for Christmas was hard.... :)
gspremington said:
Not to challenge this (cause I want to believe for my DS' sake who's waiting RA after EA deferral), but is there any evidence this is how it works?

I know some EA applicants reported outright rejections in Dec. Have any EA deferrals who requested RA consideration been outright rejected already this cycle?
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Following!
 
gspremington said:
Not to challenge this (cause I want to believe for my DS' sake who's waiting RA after EA deferral), but is there any evidence this is how it works?

I know some EA applicants reported outright rejections in Dec. Have any EA deferrals who requested RA consideration been outright rejected already this cycle?
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Son was EA deferred for another look with RD applicants.

Son emailed his AO yesterday, was told they have everything he submitted in support of his reevaluation. They simply haven't gotten to him yet.

IMHO, the Bear's Den portal functionality & status display needs to be tweaked to provide more accurate information. Sounds like a great project for a computer science major who could probably tackle it in short order.
 
gspremington said:
Not to challenge this (cause I want to believe for my DS' sake who's waiting RA after EA deferral), but is there any evidence this is how it works?

I know some EA applicants reported outright rejections in Dec. Have any EA deferrals who requested RA consideration been outright rejected already this cycle?
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Not saying there are zero rejections throughout the RA cycle, but I think it's more common for a blanket of rejection and waitlist notifications to come at the very end.

I think if of this way, it's been a full 3 1/2 months since EA appointments started going out and in that time, there has likely been a steady stream of applicants either accepting and declining their appointments. That has continued the last few weeks since RA appointments have been communicated. Each time an appointee either accepts or declines, it impacts what the class make up looks like, which in turn will potentially influence each round of application reviews.

Hypothetical example with bogus numbers...say there's a target to bring in 15 football players. Maybe they offered 10 appointments EA and another 10 so far in RA. If 10 of them happened to decline up to this point, then they'll need to be offering at least 5 more football players but maybe a few more in the last 2 weeks to try to net 15. Conversely, maybe a large number of football players accepted...at that point they met the football target, so maybe remaining football players will be less priority, or will be waitlisted, or maybe there's a football player that would help fill a target for a specific major that will get preference over someone else.

The whole thing is just a crazy moving target, so I think truly no one should lose hope until the bitter end, and then maybe even beyond!

I think this a reason why you hear stories of applicants with super grades or high test scores or a seemingly strong resume being rejected any maybe some one with slightly less GPA or lower test scores getting in. During any given application cycle it boils down to a phrase they'll hear often: "needs of the service". A kid who gets in this year, could very possibly be rejected if they were to apply the following year.
 
27BearDad said:
Not saying there are zero rejections throughout the RA cycle, but I think it's more common for a blanket of rejection and waitlist notifications to come at the very end.

I think if of this way, it's been a full 3 1/2 months since EA appointments started going out and in that time, there has likely been a steady stream of applicants either accepting and declining their appointments. That has continued the last few weeks since RA appointments have been communicated. Each time an appointee either accepts or declines, it impacts what the class make up looks like, which in turn will potentially influence each round of application reviews.

Hypothetical example with bogus numbers...say there's a target to bring in 15 football players. Maybe they offered 10 appointments EA and another 10 so far in RA. If 10 of them happened to decline up to this point, then they'll need to be offering at least 5 more football players but maybe a few more in the last 2 weeks to try to net 15. Conversely, maybe a large number of football players accepted...at that point they met the football target, so maybe remaining football players will be less priority, or will be waitlisted, or maybe there's a football player that would help fill a target for a specific major that will get preference over someone else.

The whole thing is just a crazy moving target, so I think truly no one should lose hope until the bitter end, and then maybe even beyond!

I think this a reason why you hear stories of applicants with super grades or high test scores or a seemingly strong resume being rejected any maybe some one with slightly less GPA or lower test scores getting in. During any given application cycle it boils down to a phrase they'll hear often: "needs of the service". A kid who gets in this year, could very possibly be rejected if they were to apply the following year.
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All makes sense. The institutional needs are key. Fredy's report showed ~250+ appointments affiliated with either sports or band and a matrix to target needs (teams, state diversity, majors). For non-sports team candidates, this leaves only ~150 rooms at the inn.

I have seen a few EA deferrals post they got appointment calls as the hypothetical process you outline above is being played out this year. Good luck to all and if not see you next year!
 
gspremington said:
Not to challenge this (cause I want to believe for my DS' sake who's waiting RA after EA deferral), but is there any evidence this is how it works?

I know some EA applicants reported outright rejections in Dec. Have any EA deferrals who requested RA consideration been outright rejected already this cycle?
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27BearDad said:
Not saying there are zero rejections throughout the RA cycle, but I think it's more common for a blanket of rejection and waitlist notifications to come at the very end.

I think if of this way, it's been a full 3 1/2 months since EA appointments started going out and in that time, there has likely been a steady stream of applicants either accepting and declining their appointments. That has continued the last few weeks since RA appointments have been communicated. Each time an appointee either accepts or declines, it impacts what the class make up looks like, which in turn will potentially influence each round of application reviews.

Hypothetical example with bogus numbers...say there's a target to bring in 15 football players. Maybe they offered 10 appointments EA and another 10 so far in RA. If 10 of them happened to decline up to this point, then they'll need to be offering at least 5 more football players but maybe a few more in the last 2 weeks to try to net 15. Conversely, maybe a large number of football players accepted...at that point they met the football target, so maybe remaining football players will be less priority, or will be waitlisted, or maybe there's a football player that would help fill a target for a specific major that will get preference over someone else.

The whole thing is just a crazy moving target, so I think truly no one should lose hope until the bitter end, and then maybe even beyond!

I think this a reason why you hear stories of applicants with super grades or high test scores or a seemingly strong resume being rejected any maybe some one with slightly less GPA or lower test scores getting in. During any given application cycle it boils down to a phrase they'll hear often: "needs of the service". A kid who gets in this year, could very possibly be rejected if they were to apply the following year.
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So, as I mentioned, if you weren't potentially acceptable you'd have already gotten a hard no. The longer you go without a hard no the better the chances of getting a yes/waitlist/cgas. Exactly for the reasons @27BearDad gave. Doesn't mean you will get a yes, but it does mean that you are at least under legit consideration.

What makes the difference between those that eventually get the appointment vs not, given grades and test scores and PFE score and whatnot are obviously all above the line for what they're accepting (since we're mostly talking EA deferred to RA here)? Sport, state, and major are all factors. Being from a state they struggle to recruit from, in a sport they struggle to recruit for, and a less popular but very needed major will increase the odds. So a kid from the Dakotas will have better chances than one from Virginia. Any varsity recruited athlete will fare better than a non-recruited athlete (or one that is only into clubs). An engineer will have better odds than a business or government major.

There are other factors too. So it's possible a recruited athlete from North Dakota wanting to major in electrical engineering could lose out to a government major from Virginia who's only sports background is non-competitive golf. But trends would make that kind of unlikely.
 
RJB1690 said:
Of course there are no guarantees, but Scholars and wait list spot notifications have tended to come close to the end of the decision timeline (along with some hate appointments so not hearing till the end doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t get an appointment). And then denial notifications are usually the very last thing to come. Hang in there! During my son’s cycle (class of ‘25), he applied EA and heard in early December. I was so grateful. He was okay, but the waiting was such torture for me. And yes, all decisions appear in the same manner.
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Northwoods said:
So, as I mentioned, if you weren't potentially acceptable you'd have already gotten a hard no. The longer you go without a hard no the better the chances of getting a yes/waitlist/cgas. Exactly for the reasons @27BearDad gave. Doesn't mean you will get a yes, but it does mean that you are at least under legit consideration.

What makes the difference between those that eventually get the appointment vs not, given grades and test scores and PFE score and whatnot are obviously all above the line for what they're accepting (since we're mostly talking EA deferred to RA here)? Sport, state, and major are all factors. Being from a state they struggle to recruit from, in a sport they struggle to recruit for, and a less popular but very needed major will increase the odds. So a kid from the Dakotas will have better chances than one from Virginia. Any varsity recruited athlete will fare better than a non-recruited athlete (or one that is only into clubs). An engineer will have better odds than a business or government major.

There are other factors too. So it's possible a recruited athlete from North Dakota wanting to major in electrical engineering could lose out to a government major from Virginia who's only sports background is non-competitive golf. But trends would make that kind of unlikely.
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Just curious why an engineer would have a leg up over a business or Gov major? My son was deferred EA but got his full appointment on Friday, March 1. He was a recruited athlete and I know that helped him a lot.
 
Iblameej said:
Just curious why an engineer would have a leg up over a business or Gov major? My son was deferred EA but got his full appointment on Friday, March 1. He was a recruited athlete and I know that helped him a lot.
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I think in general it's because CGA is predominately a STEM school. The engineering and technical majors are their bread and butter and there aren't many options otherwise. Because of that, what you'll often hear from people is Gov and Mgt are in many cases fall back majors. If there's a cadet in an engineering major who is really struggling academically, they can make a play to switch to Gov or Mgt as they tend to be much easier majors with less homework. I'm by no means knocking these majors, it's just what most any cadet would tell you. That said, I think the gov and mgt majors take some gentle ribbing all in good fun from their jealous engineering counterparts over their better quality of life. LOL.

That said, Government and Management are great majors, important to the overall mission, and there are plenty of applicants who select those as their first choice because that's legit what they want to study! However, because those majors are partially self populated from internal trickle down, those who apply with those majors are potentially in a much more competitive pool.

My understanding is while it probably happens plenty, there's still a lot of red tape in changing majors. Particularly now that they are divided into 3 separate schools (Engineering & Cyber, Math/Science/Humanities, and Leadership/Government). I've heard it's harder to move outside of your school. You can't just do whatever you want at that place.

Another tidbit, I've heard people say for a period of time, Cyber was hot ticket to choose on your application. My cadet was recently telling me that right now ORDA is getting some attention as 2027 was pretty light on ORDA. 🤷‍♂️
 
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