Does time at academy count toward service time with regard to retirement.

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Someone asked me recently what the commitment is for graduates, and I told them 5 years following graduation. They then asked if the 4 years at the academy counts as service time. I didn't know the answer, but I'm sure someone out there knows. Thanks.
 
Better Check Again!

Time at the Academy...they are considered on active duty...and should therefore count towards retirement.
May I ask who told you otherwise?

GO NAVY!
 
2014-scada said:
Time at the Academy...they are considered on active duty...and should therefore count towards retirement.
May I ask who told you otherwise?

GO NAVY!
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Pretty much everyone. It does not count. It does not count. When your midn is commissioned, his/her BASD (basic active service date) will be the date of commissioning.
 
2014-scada said:
Time at the Academy...they are considered on active duty...and should therefore count towards retirement.
May I ask who told you otherwise?
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Although it is true that midshipmen at the Naval Academy are on active duty - it still does not count toward retirement.
 
I understand from this forum that 4 yrs SA then 20 yrs USN = 20 yrs retirement. However, also understand from here that 4 yrs SA, 20 yrs USN, then 6 yrs civilian job in the Pentagon = 30 yrs government retirement credit.
My question is, what happens to someone who went USNA then USN then private sector but is already drawing military pension? If they leave private sector for a civilian job in the Pentagon I know they can stop the pension and have it recalculated at a higher amount. (If they work in the Pentagon for 3 yrs at a salary higher than their old Navy salary then the pension is recalculated higher.) However, do they also get to add 4 years of service credit for the time served at USNA?
 
Like someone said before, the time at a service academy is not counted towards retirement in the military. i.e. someone graduates from USXA and serves 20 years, they get 20 years of retirement pay. HOWEVER, it does count for Federal Service Time. If that same person retires at 20 and then works for the federal government as a civilian employee, they will be paid at the 24 year mark.
 
SamAca10 said:
Like someone said before... If that same person retires at 20 and then works for the federal government as a civilian employee, they will be paid at the 24 year mark.
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I am not disputing or questioning that. Here, someone retires at 20 THEN works private and DRAWS pension, then goes back to federal government as a civilian - does the 4 yrs SA time still count. Yes, a technicality, but the tax code is full of technicalities and I just want to make sure that drawing on a military pension prior to taking gov. civilian service doesn't preclude adding in the 4 yrs service academy time. Your post sounds like common sense and I thank you but applying common sense to gov. regs can sometimes be dangerous.
 
DoD Financial Management Regulation 7000.14-R
VOLUME 7B: MILITARY PAY POLICY AND PROCEDURES - RETIRED PAY

Chapter 1

Section 010102 (regarding creditable time for enlisted members retirement)
Paragraph F. Service as a cadet or midshipman at Service academy.

Section 010103 (regarding creditable time for officer members retirement)
Service academy time is not listed.

Section 010108 (regarding creditable time for "non-regular" members retirement)
Paragraph A.2.a.
Service as a cadet or midshipman at a Service academy is active service for non-Regular enlisted members only.

All in all, it supports that it does NOT count for officer retirement.
 
Academy time only counts towards Civ retirement

So the real answer is -- it depends....

If you are retiring under Title 10 (military) -- the time at academy DOES NOT COUNT as active duty -

If you retire under Title 5 (Civilian) the Academy time is "active federal service"-- and counts -- but only once - -that is -- if you are collecting a Military retirement check - the time does not count again (none of your military time counts towards a civ retirement does if you are military retired/annuitant) . PS - you have to make a contribution to make the time count

http://www.opm.gov/retire/pre/fers/servicecredit.asp#military

Also - if you are not retired military (annuitant) your active time (including Academy time) counts towards Leave category
 
To supplement rme7d8,


As of 07JAN11:
-STATUTE-
(a) Prohibition on Counting Enlisted Service Performed While at
Service Academy or in Navy Reserve. - The period of service under
an enlistment or period of obligated service while also performing
service as a cadet or midshipman or serving as a midshipman in the
Navy Reserve may not be counted in computing, for any purpose, the
length of service of an officer of an armed force or an officer in
the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service.

(b) Prohibition on Counting Service as a Cadet or Midshipman. -
In computing length of service for any purpose, service as a cadet
or midshipman may not be credited to any of the following officers:
(1) An officer of the Navy or Marine Corps.
(2) A commissioned officer of the Army or Air Force.
(3) An officer of the Coast Guard.
(4) An officer in the Commissioned Corps of the Public Health
Service.

(c) Service as a Cadet or Midshipman Defined. - In this section,
the term "service as a cadet or midshipman" means -
(1) service as a cadet at the United States Military Academy,
United States Air Force Academy, or United States Coast Guard
Academy; or
(2) service as a midshipman at the United States Naval Academy.
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Section 1115 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 Ensures retirement service credit
"(Sec. 1115) Ensures retirement service credit for service as a cadet or midshipman at a military service academy."
go here to the Library of Congress and find section 1115
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:H.R.4986:
is there another law that was after this that took it away?
 
They are collecting pay?? It is not much, but they are getting paid???
 
Yes, mids are paid. The first couple of years, virtually all of the pay is spent on uniforms, books, etc. By 2/C year, the "take home" pay is at least decent.
 
I seem to remember hearing that time at USNA does not count toward retirement but that time at NAPS does.
 
It's does NOT count toward military retirement, but would count toward federal retirement.
 
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