5 out of 32 leaving?

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Just spoke to my son after his last final, he said talk is that 5 out of 32 plebes in his company will not be coming back after this trimester (due to poor grades etc) (not him thankfully) Very scary. My husband thinks the drop out/kick out rate is higher than "back in his day"-also a graduate of KP, due to the fact that some many more kids are admitted. Something to think about. Enjoy your weekend.
 
5 Out of 32 Leaving

What will they do if a cadet fails one subject? Do they go to Summer School? And if they fail to but really want to remain are they going to grant set backs? My son struggled this semester in physics but really truly wants to remain a Kings Pointer. He was very upset on the phone last night. I felt terrible and he's so far away.
 
Failures

My DD failed Physics her Plebe year....first class ever (AND the only class ever) in her education...she went to summer school, had a different teacher and passed with a B.

Set backs are dealt with differently. Jasper Dog could explain with more facts.
 
5th company. The general feeling (again according to my son) is that the powers that be are against set backs and are swift to hand you your walking papers. (Again could be just his perception)He is on his way to warmth and sunshine w/4 friends from KP, finals are over (and so is my hand wringing )for another trimester.
 
I think your son must be going on vacation with my son!!! He is also in fifth company.
 
Punta Cana? If yes I am the woman that you sent the check too.:) Hello
 
Wow, Punta Cana.... my DS only went to Florida with his roommate! On the disenroll front I think at this point after finals our DD's and DS's are so tired and stressed - it's all doom and gloom! Tomorrow is another day :smile:
 
Sunshine

Well thank you for setting it up. Punta Cana is beautful and the place they are staying looks wonderful. My son sent us the website. I know they will have a blast.
 
Sea Faring Moose Mom said:
...Set backs are dealt with differently. Jasper Dog could explain with more facts. ...
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Actually, I don't have a bunch of historical data on Setbacks and have none on dis-enrollments other than very gross numbers. As for ssmmdf's comment relative to the rate being higher or lower than her husband saw, to some degree that would depend even with these gross numbers I have on the decade, etc. when he graduated. As is alluded to, the past three entering classes have been relatively large, and as large as any authorized entering class since the late 1980's (1987 and beyond as far as I know). That said when I compare what I've been seeing and hearing to the setback and dis-enrollment rates I know my class and the Class before and after it experienced in the early 80's - which were all of a similar entering size as the last three (2012, 2013, and 2014) and the rates seem to be in line with what we experienced on a bottom line basis, but that's really just based on anecdotal/"gut feel" I haven't asked or discussed any real rates for those classes versus ours.
 
I know this is somewhat irrelevant, but I saw this thread and I was wondering how many are in each class at KP? They are cutting a lot of people at USAFA as well...
 
I know they shoot for an entering class of 280 but 320 + showed up this year.
 
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I know they shoot for an entering class of 280 but 320 + showed up this year.
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Actually for the Classes of 2012, 2013 and 2014 I was of the understanding the targeted size was 300 and in each of those cases they got slightly more than that including as you note ~320 for the Class of 2014. Don't know what the authorized size/target for the Class of 2015 is though.
 
ssdmmf said:
Just spoke to my son after his last final, he said talk is that 5 out of 32 plebes in his company will not be coming back after this trimester (due to poor grades etc) (not him thankfully) Very scary. My husband thinks the drop out/kick out rate is higher than "back in his day"-also a graduate of KP, due to the fact that some many more kids are admitted. Something to think about. Enjoy your weekend.
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Some knew they were in very good shape, some knew they were totally underwater (guess that is the 5 of 32 mentioned)

Grades are being posted today online......some midshipmen are on the bubble and their performance on the exams was critical.......anxious time for them.
 
Regarding failing a class as a plebe and getting set back or dis-enrollment. It is my understanding that if a plebe fails one class and has above a 2.0 GPA they may be allowed to stay and take retake the class during summer school. If they fail and have below a 2.0 GPA they are dis-enrolled.
 
When is summer school if the kid is a B-split? Would it interfere with sea year? Would they then be dropped from varsity sports? I am assuming the varsity sports coaches will allow them time away from practice for academics if the kid is struggling, right? On the other hand my kiddo isn't nearly as focussed or as sharp ( or tired :shake:) if he is not training. Is the take away lesson to know exactly where you stand academically at all times to stay on top of it to avoid such scheduling nightmares, and worse? It would seem to me that this exactly when a kid needs a "team" the most. Mentorship from from older team members who have been there. Plus those same older team
Members could help avoid those same issues all together. Not that they babysit the plebes but surely can offer some guidance when asked. Yes, no, to those who have been there?
 
kpmom2011 said:
Regarding failing a class as a plebe and getting set back or dis-enrollment. It is my understanding that if a plebe fails one class and has above a 2.0 GPA they may be allowed to stay and take retake the class during summer school. If they fail and have below a 2.0 GPA they are dis-enrolled.
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There is Summer School now? When I attended, "Summer" was barely 4 weeks long.
 
Summer School and B-Split

Lynpar said:
When is summer school if the kid is a B-split? Would it interfere with sea year? Would they then be dropped from varsity sports? I am assuming the varsity sports coaches will allow them time away from practice for academics if the kid is struggling, right? On the other hand my kiddo isn't nearly as focussed or as sharp ( or tired :shake:) if he is not training. Is the take away lesson to know exactly where you stand academically at all times to stay on top of it to avoid such scheduling nightmares, and worse? It would seem to me that this exactly when a kid needs a "team" the most. Mentorship from from older team members who have been there. Plus those same older team
Members could help avoid those same issues all together. Not that they babysit the plebes but surely can offer some guidance when asked. Yes, no, to those who have been there?
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I can't answer all of this but DS is B-Split and had to do summer school after his plebe year before going out to sea for his first sea duty. Summer school is fast, not even 4 weeks long. One reason they can only do one course is they are in class for a good chunk of the day.

Summer school does cut into sea time, DS did a couple of days on the Kings Pointer before flying out to catch his ship. He came back the first day of classes with 93 or 94 sea days in total; I'm told the goal is 100 on the first time out. He did manage to get out early this time (joined his ship Monday with exams ending Friday) so he hopes he'll squeeze it all in before he comes back in November.

As to sports, can't really say. DS stayed with his sports as that helped keep him sane. Different folks may have a different take on that. I stick with the advice often given on these threads: let them sort it out.
 
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My son quit sports, he works out and runs to keep his sanity. He felt it better to maintain a good GPA then to participate in sports because the sports teams took a lot of time away on weekends when he stayed on campus and worked on homework, etc. Another alternative to sports is the chapel program. There is a very good program and on Monday nights there is CFC. This is a good venue to be able to feel like a "normal" kid as well.

As stated summer school does cut into B split sea time, but, without the class there will be no sea year.....just saying. :)

Although it may not feel like it, I've been told by many upper class Mids that looking back Plebe year was actually the easiest year...so keep this in mind as you are going through it. :shake:
 
I found 1st Class year to be the easiest, to be honest. As far as keeping sane, I found that playing Rugby was a great help. An adult beverage or two (when suitably authorize, of course) was also welcome. I know that won't be very popular, but the age back then was 18.
 
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