Restrepo Director Killed in Libya

Not to try and sound cold blooded, but they were there voluntarily to make money. "That's why the media/entertainment industry does what they do; to make money". They took a risk going into such an area. I'd feel bad if it was red cross workers, UN peace keepers, military, or anyone trying to provide aid/assistance. But I can't feel too bad for a person who was there filming and taking pictures so they could make money. Just not in me.
 
Not to try and sound cold blooded, but they were there voluntarily to make money. "That's why the media/entertainment industry does what they do; to make money". They took a risk going into such an area. I'd feel bad if it was red cross workers, UN peace keepers, military, or anyone trying to provide aid/assistance. But I can't feel too bad for a person who was there filming and taking pictures so they could make money. Just not in me.

I believe they had a higher purpose than making money. The film Restrepo is a very serious effort to show the reality of war for our combat forces, focusing on the fight in the Korangal Valley of Afghanistan. These film makers - as well as reporters on the battlefronts - put themselves in serious harms way to tell these important stories.
 
Not to try and sound cold blooded, but they were there voluntarily to make money. "That's why the media/entertainment industry does what they do; to make money". They took a risk going into such an area. I'd feel bad if it was red cross workers, UN peace keepers, military, or anyone trying to provide aid/assistance. But I can't feel too bad for a person who was there filming and taking pictures so they could make money. Just not in me.

Wow. Just Wow. [deleted] I am disgusted.
What if there were no photojournalists in WWII to record the Holocaust? The world would still be indenial that the horror of horrors actually happened.


“This is a devastating loss to many of us personally,” said Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, which was examining options to recover his remains. “But it is also a devastating loss to the human rights community. His work has raised the visibility of many of the world’s forgotten conflicts. May the legacy of his exceptional photographs serve to inspire future generations.”
What a tragedy. It is dangerous work these days being a photographer or journalist in a war zone. Thank goodness there are people who are willing to do it.
 
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Sorry; but I don't consider them photo-journalists. What you call the photo-journalist since the "embedded reporter", is not the same as vietnam and prior. If you believe they are strictly there to report the truth and facts, have at it. I don't like seeing anyone die for any reason. I just don't happen to see them in the same light as you do. I don't see today's media and entertainment industry the same way I did years/decades ago. Today, it's about sensationalism, ratings, awards, and money. You have you're opinion and I have mine.

And you can be as "Disgusted" as you want. You might be "Just_A_Mom", but guess what????......you're NOT MY MOM!!! [edited as prior post was edited]
 
There weren't any photojournalists during WWII that recorded the "Holocaust". It was only recorded and documented after the war was over. The world knew it was happening from Kristallnacht through 1944 but denied it "US Included". And these new "news" guys are in the business of making money or a reputation. Re: Dan Rather "Gunga Dan".
 
Wow. Just Wow. [deleted] I am disgusted.

His death is just as tragic as any other death; however, I can understand Christcorp's sentiment here although I don't necessarily agree with it. This death will probably get more coverage in the news than almost any of the recent deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq.

What if there were no photojournalists in WWII to record the Holocaust?

Weren't most of the photographs/video from those wars created by active duty photojournalists?

What a tragedy. It is dangerous work these days being a photographer or journalist in a war zone. Thank goodness there are people who are willing to do it.

Agree that it is a tragedy, but is it anymore a tragedy than a news reporter who gets killed while covering a story in the US?
 
I feel as does Christcorp does on this. In my opinion the journalist was there for shallow reasons (money, fame, etc). Unfortunately his death will receive far more attention than our fallen military men and women.
 
Not to try and sound cold blooded, but they were there voluntarily to make money. "That's why the media/entertainment industry does what they do; to make money". They took a risk going into such an area. I'd feel bad if it was red cross workers, UN peace keepers, military, or anyone trying to provide aid/assistance. But I can't feel too bad for a person who was there filming and taking pictures so they could make money. Just not in me.
Well I suppose that's one perspective. I however feel that the work that they were doing was dangerous and valuable and that most soldiers feel so too. The film Restrepo and the book War by Hetherington and Sebastien Junger brought a lot of needed understanding of what warriors in Afghanistan are going thru (Occupying a COP and patrolling the Korengal, Kandahar,Helmand,Paktika, Nuristan and Kunar provinces are not the same as sitting on Bagram Airfield by a long shot). They spent over 7 months with that one lonely platoon out on COP Restrepo- not sitting in the BK at BAF. Hetherington and Junger are pretty much the modern equivalent of Ernie Pyle in WW2 or Joe Galloway in Vietnam. Hetherington's death is a loss for the military as well as for the journalism world. They brought visibility of the tragedies of the world to the outside- which is the only thing that actually causes the outside world to care. Bravery comes in uniform and out of it- all military people aren't hero's nor is bravery and selflessness restricted to those in uniform. It's unworthy to suggest otherwise. Anyone who suggests that they are out for just shallow personal fame has clearly never read either this book or seen the documentary.
BTW a little background on Hetherington:
Hetherington spent much of the next decade in West Africa, documenting political upheaval and its effects on daily life in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, and other countries. In the Second Liberian Civil War, he and his broadcast colleague James Brabazon were the only foreign journalists to live behind rebel lines, which earned them an execution order from then president Charles Taylor. He was a photographer on Liberia: An Uncivil War (2004) and The Devil Came on Horseback (2007).

In 2006, Hetherington took a break from image making to work as an investigator for the United Nations Security Council's Liberia Sanctions Committee.

Hetherington won the 2007 World Press Photo competition for his picture of a tired American soldier covering his face with his hand following a day of fighting in the Korengal valley, Afghanistan.
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The international jury of the 51st annual World Press Photo Contest selected a color image of the UK photographer Tim Hetherington as World Press Photo of the Year 2007. The picture was taken 16 September 2007 and shows a US soldier resting at “Restrepo” bunker, named after a soldier from his platoon who was recently killed by insurgents. The 2nd Battalion Airborne of the 503rd US infantry was undergoing a deployment in the Korengal Valley in the Eastern province of Afghanistan. The valley was infamous as the site of downing of a US helicopter and has seen some of the most intense fighting in the country.
... “This image shows the exhaustion of a man – and the exhaustion of a nation,” says jury chairman Gary Knight, and adds “We’re all connected to this. It’s a picture of a man at the end of a line."
 
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I feel as does Christcorp does on this. In my opinion the journalist was there for shallow reasons (money, fame, etc). Unfortunately his death will receive far more attention than our fallen military men and women.

The irony here is that Hetherington and other journalists who risk their lives in war zones are putting themselves at risk PRECISELY TO BRING ATTENTION to our military men and women in harm's way. Have you seen Restrepo?

If it weren't for these intrepid journalists and documentarians, there would be far less known to the public-at-large about the realities faced by our combat troops. That's not to say that they are more heroic than those fighting - there is no contest here. But they are doing important and worthwhile work, and putting themselve in dangerous situations to do so. I think they deserve credit for that.
 
Hetherington's death is a loss for the military as well as for the journalism world. They brought visibility of the tragedies of the world to the outside- which is the only thing that actually causes the outside world to care. Bravery comes in uniform and out of it- all military people aren't hero's nor is bravery and selflessness restricted to those in uniform. It's unworthy to suggest otherwise. Anyone who suggests that they are out for just shallow personal fame does has clearly never read either this book or seen the documentary.

Thanks Bruno - I wish I could have expressed myself as well!
 
The irony here is that Hetherington and other journalists who risk their lives in war zones are putting themselves at risk PRECISELY TO BRING ATTENTION to our military men and women in harm's way. Have you seen Restrepo?

If it weren't for these intrepid journalists and documentarians, there would be far less known to the public-at-large about the realities faced by our combat troops. That's not to say that they are more heroic than those fighting - there is no contest here. But they are doing important and worthwhile work, and putting themselve in dangerous situations to do so. I think they deserve credit for that.

I've already said that I have sorrow for any death. But while your point is well meaning, the question begs to be asked:

"If the money, fame, notoriety, etc... wasn't part of their going to these places....... WOULD THEY?"

Our military members, red-cross, volunteers, etc... don't go into such dangerous places because the "Pay is good". They do what they do because they have made a commitment to their country. War, unfortunately, has been this director's niche. If somehow Michael Moore could find a way to turn war into "Gun Control", and he could make money, I'm sure he'd be there too.

USO entertainers volunteer to go visit our troops. When a reporter, director, news team, etc... tells the DOD that they want to go into a hostile area "PRO BONO" and provide the DOD with news feeds and information to help the effort; then I'll have a totally different opinion.
 
USO entertainers volunteer to go visit our troops. When a reporter, director, news team, etc... tells the DOD that they want to go into a hostile area "PRO BONO" and provide the DOD with news feeds and information to help the effort; then I'll have a totally different opinion.

Should a soldier offer to deploy without pay in order to be worthy in your eyes? Or maybe just turn down hazard pay and reenlistment bonuses? Althought many people join to serve, I am fairly certain a good portion of them would not do it without pay.

Everyone has to make a living. There's nothing shameful about that.
 
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Bruno - you are a beacon of light shinning though the mud on this thread. Thanks for your thoughtful and insightful contributions.
 
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Should a soldier offer to deploy without pay in order to be worthy in your eyes? Or maybe just turn down hazard pay and reenlistment bonuses? Althought many people join to serve, I am fairly certain a good portion of them would not do it without pay.

Everyone has to make a living. There's nothing shameful about that.

A soldier knows their pay "Prior" to any engagement. Some can go an entire career and never once have to set foot into harms way. Others are tasked numerous times. But it's "Part of the Job". They knew that when they got into this line of work. This director and his film crew were not forced to go to these places. They chose to. And the reason they chose to, was because of the money. Granted, it's not Transformers or similar, but it made a lot more money than any soldier does that I know.

The bottom line is some here believe these individuals died "Serving their country". I don't. And KP2001 is correct that their death will over shadow any military member's death.
 
A few blurbs from a Wall Street Journal interview with Junger and Hetherington last June 25th about the making of the Documentary Restrepo. This was a good man- a good team and they did a lot to actually publicize what the real soldiers are doing in Afghanistan. Those of you who think that the USO entertainers who fly in and sing to the soldiers and Airmen etc..do more are obviously entitled to your opinion, but the war is fought out in the boonies and that's where these two did their work. Ask the 173rd Abn what they thought of the documentary. These guys put their asses out on the line physically and financially to make a documentary about real soldiers in the real war and wound up documenting the life of an Airborne Infantry company (2d Plt B/2-503 Abn Inf) in which an MoH was awarded. Going out there for that amount of time seems to me to speak volumes about them as well as bring recognition to those soldiers and marines who are doing the brunt of the fighting in Afghanistan. It sure as heck doesn't sound like guys off on a personal glory trip- especially since you don't see either of them in the movie or the book :the stars are the soldiers living, fighting, dying on that OP. I don't think we should begrudge giving credit, honor and sympathy to men who deserve it- in uniform or out.
From the WSJ June 25th 2010:
Junger later met up with Hetherington, who came aboard as co-director, and the two ended up funding the entire project of our their own pockets. “Very few people believed we could do this,” said Hetherington. “We came to realize that in order to make the film we wanted, we needed absolute editorial control so financed the entire film ourselves. Filming in Afghanistan was probably the easier part of completing the project.” Junger added that the duo essentially walked away from the full ride — “it would’ve cost no money from our pockets” — because their potential partners refused to have a conversation about editorial control. “Thankfully, we sold the TV rights [to National Geographic], or else we would have been in a lot of trouble.”

Their efforts have paid off. The film ended up winning the Grand Jury Prize for Documentary at this year’s Sundance Film Festival and is racking up positive reviews (WSJ film critic Joe Morgenstern writes that the movie “will stir your heart and open your mind“). But the greatest reward for Junger and Hetherington seems to be having made a piece of realist art that connects soldiers with the family members who want to learn more about their loved ones’ experiences abroad. Of one screening at Sundance, Junger said a middle-aged woman came up to him and told him her father served in World War II and was shot three times in the back, and having seen his movie, she understood now why he could never talk about it — and then ran away.
The Wall Street Journal: Both of you purposefully decided to keep politics out of your film.
Sebastian Junger: The documentary film lately seems to have been hijacked by causes — and they’re great causes that need documentaries and it’s an effective way of creating social justice and awareness. But in the public’s mind, that’s what documentary film is. It espouses a cause and they run with it. When people hear the words ‘war documentary,’ they assume it’s a liberal film, probably with an anti-war message, and this film definitely is not....
Hetherington: We had protection, in a way, from our reputations, Sebastian at Vanity Fair and me at ABC News. You’d have to do something pretty out there for them to start to cut us off. If we’d been freelancers, it’d be easier to shut us off. Back in 2007, when the focus was on the war in Iraq, the guys in the Korengal Valley were wondering why the hell the Department of Defense weren’t giving them more resources, and were probably upset about that. So the idea of having us cover their side of the story, how their guys were getting hammered, was very attractive to them.

What’s your take on embedding journalist and documentarians?
Hetherington: There’s been a lot of discussion about embedding. To contextualize: we have journalist friends who go in to Iraq or Afghanistan who say the maximum time they’d do with a certain combat brigade or team would be three weeks — which is not enough time to form a bond with the soldiers. Whereas we spent 10 months in total to build the relationships we did with the soldiers. So we were never censored by the military , but we did sign a contract with them.
'Restrepo' documentary hits home for family of Sgt. Josh BrennanBy ROB THOMAS | The Capital Times | rthomas@madison.com | Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:05 am


A powerful new documentary about the war in Afghanistan opens Friday at Sundance Cinemas. For family and friends of Sgt. Josh Brennan in the Madison area, "Restrepo" is especially meaningful.

Brennan, 22, was killed in October 2007 in the Korengal Valley in a remote part of eastern Afghanistan, where much of the heaviest fighting in the war (and a high number of U.S. casualties) occurred. The film includes footage shot on the day Brennan was killed in a nearby village.

For Brennan's father Mike, a Madison police officer who lives in McFarland, "Restrepo" offers valuable insight into the events leading up to his son's death. It also provides a window into what life was like for Sgt. Josh Brennan and his fellow soldiers in the valley.

"For me, it's good to be able to see the area there and see who those people are," Mike Brennan said. "Just experience what it was like there."

For most of his childhood, Josh Brennan lived with his mother in the state of Oregon but spent his summers in the Madison area with his father. Family and friends of Josh Brennan plan to see the movie together on Friday.

The film was made by journalist and author Sebastian Junger (best known for his book "The Perfect Storm," later made into a 2000 movie with George Clooney) and Vanity Fair magazine photojournalist Tim Hetherington.

The two filmmakers embedded with members of the Second Platoon of the 173rd Airborne Brigade's Battle Company for more than a year, from May 2007 to June 2008. Josh Brennan was part of Battle Company's First Platoon, which conducted many operations alongside the Second Platoon in the valley.

In a phone interview, Hetherington said he's been gratified by the reaction of soldiers and their families to the documentary.

"For their loved ones, we've heard that the film has therapeutic benefits, because I guess it's a keyhole through which they can view the soldier's experience," Hetherington said. "Soldiers may be good at fighting, but they may not necessarily be good at communicating what they go through."

While his son was at a different camp than the one featured in the film, Mike Brennan said that "Restrepo" gave him a better understanding of the conditions that the soldiers were operating under. They often went without electricity or running water, ate pre-packaged MRE's (meals ready to eat) every day, and went up to a month without showering. And they patrolled a mountainous region where Taliban fighters had the high ground, and would constantly shoot into U.S. camps.

"Most people don't realize how much they were sacrificing," Brennan said. "When you watch that movie, boy oh boy. Not only to live under those conditions but to be shot at an average of three times every day, it's just unbelievable. You just wonder how more of these guys don't end up getting killed."

The ambush during which Josh Brennan was killed occurred during a weeklong operation dubbed Operation Rock Avalanche, a multi-pronged offensive intended to flush Taliban insurgents out of hiding and into open combat with U.S. forces.

In "Restrepo," the audience sees a firefight in which one of the members of Second Platoon is killed, devastating the rest of the platoon. The next day, the platoon enters a village and provides security for a U.S. colonel, who arrives by helicopter to warn tribal elders to stop firing on U.S troops.

Not seen in the film, Mike Brennan said, are the members of the First Platoon, including Josh, who were hunkered down outside the village providing additional security.

It was later that day that the First Platoon was attacked by about 22 to 25 Taliban forces, Mike Brennan said. Five U.S. soldiers were hit, including Josh, who was wounded in the chest. He was taken by helicopter to receive medical help and later died.

"Restrepo" is an apolitical film, focused solely on giving audiences the experience of what it was like to serve in Afghanistan.
 
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Folks before we have any fratricide in this thread- It's ok to disagree with each other- but let's try not to insult each other ok? It doesn't add to the thread, won't convert those with whom you disagree and probably will bring you or the thread into danger of being closed, editied or disciplined, none of which is pleasant or necessary if we conduct the thread in a responsible and respectful manner.
 
I just exchanged emails with my son at USMA about this. I knew he had met Junger and Hetherington last fall when they were at USMA to speak to the Comm's reading group. The Comm had the cadets read "War" and then they gathered to discuss the book as well as hear the authors speak about it. My son's words about this journalist death: "That sucks...he seemed like a nice guy and one of the non-chicken **** journalists out there."
 
Cant believe the comment

Not to try and sound cold blooded, but they were there voluntarily to make money. "That's why the media/entertainment industry does what they do; to make money". They took a risk going into such an area. I'd feel bad if it was red cross workers, UN peace keepers, military, or anyone trying to provide aid/assistance. But I can't feel too bad for a person who was there filming and taking pictures so they could make money. Just not in me.

I really do not think Tim Hetherington was a rich man. What is rich? How much do you think he earned a year? How much was his life worth? Do you think all that money he made is going to make his family feel any better when they bury him? I do not think he had been living a lavish lifestyle in Libya spending all that cash he has made . I do not think he put himself in harms way to "make money". He put himself in harms way to tell a story. A story that he believed that had to be told. Some people may not like the story, that life. No one should ever have to die at the hands of another human being ever. Tim Hetherington was killed by very bad people. They were evil. He did not deserve to die.

This forum is visited everyday by young men and women who want to protect others from the evil in this world. Those young men and women will someday put there lives on the line to protect the world from evil. Those same young men and women aren't going to put their life on the line for money. They are going to put their life on the line because they believe in what is good and right. Tim Hetherington may not have been a member of the armed forces but he thought by telling his story he was doing what was good and right. When I watched Restrepo it reminded me of all the young men and women that are fighting for me. Yes, I thought ..me. My heart ached when saw how in danger the soldiers were and I was just sitting at home in my comfortable home. Restrepo made me think, it made me think as all Americans should think and how thankful they should be that these young Americans are fighting evil to protect our way of life.. If Tim Hetherington just made a small percent of Americans and others in the world finally see and understand the sacrifice the members of U.S. armed forces make everyday so we can live in a free country than we should mourn him.
 
Just to show that this is not the only forum having this debate and that there are people on both sides of the argument I have copied the below two posts from another site I frequent:

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kleppe 2011-04-20 04:40:43 PM
A year and two days ago, 23 year old Staff Sergeant James R. Patton was killed when his helicopter crashed during combat operations in Iraq. He was the great-great-nephew of General George Patton and was on his seventh deployment (having previously deployed twice to Iraq and four times to Afghanistan). He left behind a wife and infant daughter. The United States military has been at war for nearly ten years and has pulled it off without a draft. It has done it by taking soldiers like Jimmy and sending them on seven six+ month deployments by the time they're 23. But who does the media cry about? Some dipshiat civilian who got blown up trying to make a buck off of human suffering.

Call me a troll if you want but I will never shed a tear for war journalists. They do not contribute to the mission and in almost every case they are a detriment. Whenever I hear war correspondent I imagine Geraldo Rivera drawing the outline for a mission in front of millions of viewers.

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rangerdavid 2011-04-20 04:40:53 PM
The "He gets what he deserves for being a war zone" comments make me throw up in my mouth, you insensitive, ignorant trolls. Without brave people like this, you'd just "know" what the government tells you. Go back to your holes.
 
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