I may be over thinking this but wondering what the opinion is out there if having a presidential nom can hurt your chances of gaining a moc nom? The thought behind this is... Well candidate has a nom( regardless of the fact that a presidential is not competitive) so they dont want to waste the moc nom on the candidate who has one already? Also wondering if moc nom committees "talks" to sa about candidates before they interview to find out who is 3q and who may not be to help them determine who they give the nom to?
Presidential nom and moc nom?
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Just_A_Mom
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Whether or not to grant a nomination is up to each individual MOC. Some have a "policy" or guideline to NOT give a nomination to a candidate who already has one. Others do not have such a policy. Regardless, apply anyway and go through the process.
Typically MOC's will be copied on an LOA letter. If you have been notified by the academy that you are 3q'd feel free to pass this along as a part of your package. MOC"s who are familiar with the process already have a good idea of what encompasses being 3q'd and also know that you have some time left to become 3q'd - namely in medical but also in taking the SAT again etc. It's entirely possible for candidates who have potential to become qualified to receive a nomination.
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I have never heard this to be the case nor, in many years as a BGO, have I ever seen it occur. In fact, I'm not even sure MOCs are aware of Pres noms unless you tell them. Two of my candidates just received noms from their Senator. One had a Pres nom, one did not.
I believe that SAs "educate" MOCs that a Pres nom may not be enough given the very small number (100) of Pres appointment slots and that they shouldn't consider this when making a nom. Also, at some level, MOCs want to choose those they believe to be the best candidates. That is why some candidates will receive noms from more than one MOC.
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Are you advocating that a candidate, if asked if he/she has a nomination by his/her MOC..... not tell them?
There are over 500 Senators and Congressmen. They all set their own policies and guidelines. Some have a policy not to extend a nomination if their candidate already has one - which is true of my Congressman.
Agree that this is not always in the best interest of the candidate, a fact of which the candidate has no control.
The bottom line is to apply for all nominations to which you are eligible. For the most part - the most qualified candidates are appointed.
There are over 500 Senators and Congressmen. They all set their own policies and guidelines. Some have a policy not to extend a nomination if their candidate already has one - which is true of my Congressman.
Agree that this is not always in the best interest of the candidate, a fact of which the candidate has no control.
The bottom line is to apply for all nominations to which you are eligible. For the most part - the most qualified candidates are appointed.
I sure didn't think that was being advocated.
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No.
I'm saying that, as far as I know, MOCs are not informed by SAs whether or not a candidate has a Pres nom -- as they are informed if a candidate has an LOA. Thus, unless you volunteer the information or are asked -- and, of course, if you are asked, you should reply truthfully -- the MOC likely won't know.
I'm also saying that, based on my experience (personal and as a BGO), MOCs don't care about Pres noms. They typically don't ask and they typically are not unwilling to give a strong candidate an MOC nom just b/c he/she already has a Pres nom. There may be some MOCs who do care but in our super-competitive geographic area, it has never been an issue.
IOW, in my experience, it's a non-factor.