Chances of offer with a MOC appt. in hand ?

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My son just received an appointment from his Congressman to USNA and USMMA. He has an LOA from USMMA but has not heard anything from USNA.
I was wondering what his chances are of getting accepted by USNA with an appointment in hand ?
Does it make it an almost assured thing or are there kids that get appointments but don't get in ?
I know there are no assurances and the official party line is that it is a step in the process. I was just wondering if anyone out there went through the same thing ?
 
Tomcat87 said:
My son just received an appointment from his Congressman to USNA and USMMA. He has an LOA from USMMA but has not heard anything from USNA.
I was wondering what his chances are of getting accepted by USNA with an appointment in hand ?
Does it make it an almost assured thing or are there kids that get appointments but don't get in ?
I know there are no assurances and the official party line is that it is a step in the process. I was just wondering if anyone out there went through the same thing ?
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I don't know the percentages for USNA but I do know for USMA only about 50% of applicants who are 3Q and have a nomination are extended an appointment. I would guess USNA numbers are similar but I expect you can search online and find out the specifics. I wouldn't be surprised if they were available at the USNA admissions web site.
 
Honestly, it's a bit better than 50% at all the academies. USMMA is a tough place to get into. An LOA there can translate into a good shot at USNA, I'd reckon. A nomination and full qualification doesn't completely assure an appointment, but it's pretty close. Just gonna have to wait and see.
 
It is higher than 50%, actually the percentage of candidates that are offered an appointment when they are 3qed and have a nomination is around 75-80% and the exact percentage changes from year to year. Getting a nomination is a big deal though because when you are 3qed because it does put you on the national waiting list automatically if you do not receive the appointment from the nomination slate you were on. The national waiting list is where they give out the final appointments once all of the nominating sources have been charged. So in the long run the answer is yes there is still a chance of not getting an appointment when you are 3qed with a nomination but the chance of not getting one is a lot less than the chance you will get one.
 
Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.
My sons congressman uses the competitive nomination, so I just assumed that since he had an LOA from USMMA that he was in. Is that correct ?
Also, since this is a competitive nomination, since he does not have an LOA from USNA I guess the admission board will make that decision on whether he will be the one from those ten that gets the slot. So if he isn't the one of ten, is that when he goes into the 'pool' to hopefully pick up one of the leftover slots the academy needs to fill ?
 
Tomcat87 said:
My son just received an appointment from his Congressman to USNA and USMMA.
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Congrats to your son. Normally the appointment comes from the academy, and the Congressman provides the nomination.

Tomcat87 said:
I was wondering what his chances are of getting accepted by USNA with an appointment in hand ?
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100%, as an appointment is.......an appointment. :wink:

Tomcat87 said:
Does it make it an almost assured thing or are there kids that get appointments but don't get in ?
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Only if they don't accept the appointment. Some who have appointments choose to decline and go elsewhere, either to another academy or civilian school. And some do "stupid things" and have their appointment rescinded.
 
Tomcat...Did your son receive a nomination from the congressman or was he told by the congressman that he was being offered an appointment by the academy? The wording is fairly critical in answering your question. With a nomination in hand, he is eligible to be offered an appointment. If he was told an appointment is forthcoming, then he will indeed be offered an appointment.
 
My bad. What I meant to say was:
My son has a nomination from his congressman to USNA and USMMA.
He has an LOA from USMMA.
Sorry for the mis-wording.
 
Can you guys tell me if I understand this correctly.
My DS has received a nomination to USNA from his MOC. It is a competitive nom and my DS does not have an LOA from USNA, but he is 3Q.
As I understand it USNA will decide between the ten names the MOC gave them and that one candidate will be given the appointment. The other nine names will be placed in the 'pool' that will be used to fill USNA slots after all MOC are completed nationwide. The 'pool' candidates are ranked and they will start at the top and work down until all USNA slots for class of 2016 are filled.
Am I close ?

Also, my DS has an LOA and a nomination to USMMA. Will this information help his chances of receiving an appointment from USNA ?
 
Tomcat87 said:
Can you guys tell me if I understand this correctly.
My DS has received a nomination to USNA from his MOC. It is a competitive nom and my DS does not have an LOA from USNA, but he is 3Q.
As I understand it USNA will decide between the ten names the MOC gave them and that one candidate will be given the appointment. The other nine names will be placed in the 'pool' that will be used to fill USNA slots after all MOC are completed nationwide. The 'pool' candidates are ranked and they will start at the top and work down until all USNA slots for class of 2016 are filled.
Am I close ?

Also, my DS has an LOA and a nomination to USMMA. Will this information help his chances of receiving an appointment from USNA ?
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You are correct.

No, it will not help his chances for USNA.
 
Tomcat87 said:
The 'pool' candidates are ranked and they will start at the top and work down until all USNA slots for class of 2016 are filled.
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Don't forget that many (~250) NAPS appointments will also be included in those "filled slots," many of whom will not be "ranked" above the others, but fill a specific athletic recruiting need or diversity goal.
 
Question- don't naps candidates also need nominations? Are they typically MOC noms and charged to them? How does it work for the naps candidates as far as nominations? Wonder where they figure in to the big picture.
 
crair70 said:
Question- don't naps candidates also need nominations? Are they typically MOC noms and charged to them? How does it work for the naps candidates as far as nominations? Wonder where they figure in to the big picture.
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NAPsters who are unable to get a MOC nom can get one from the Supe.

In fact, some MOC will not consider a NAPster, period.

Applicants who have successfully completed an academic year at a U.S. Service Academy Preparatory School will not be considered for a nomination by our office and should seek a nomination through the academy.
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http://cardin.senate.gov/students/academies/
 
SUPE nominations are not normally used for NAPSters (as mentioned, 1-2 a year are given out). Some MOCs will nominate NAPSTERS. The SECNAV can nominate 85 USN/USMC Enlisted Regular and 85 additional USN/USMC Reservists. Because NAPSters are in a Reserve status, they qualify (I'm pretty sure NAPSters from MD who are not nominated by another source will be attributed to the SECNAV). Additionally, if some of the Enlisted come from the Fleet, they will be charged from the first 85. I am unsure if the unused portion of the 85 regular USN/USMC nominations can be spilled over to the Reserve.
 
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Ya not sure how they fudge that one....Title 10 says specifically 85 Active and 85 Reserve...so not sure where they "charge" the others to. Might be SECNAV just under a different category.
 
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