AFROTC number of EA Awards for 2012

jazz1111 · Feb 28, 2012

My S received this information recently from his squadron commander:

HQ AFROTC expects to award approximately 2,300 EAs this year:
approx 1,500 to non-technical majors
approx 125 to foreign language majors
approx 675 to technical majors.

Good luck to all! Whatever the results, be proud of all your hard work & accomplishments!!

Jcleppe · Feb 28, 2012

jazz1111 said:
My S received this information recently from his squadron commander:

HQ AFROTC expects to award approximately 2,300 EAs this year:
approx 1,500 to non-technical majors
approx 125 to foreign language majors
approx 675 to technical majors.

Good luck to all! Whatever the results, be proud of all your hard work & accomplishments!!

I didn't realize there were that many AFROTC cadets considering I read that only around 55% or so received EA's last year, of course that % may be wrong and I may have read it wrong. If that is correct that means there are about 4200 AFROTC cadets competing for slots. Never realized there were that many AFROTC cadets.

I was also surprised to see that so many slots were given to non-tech majors, I thought the AF leaned much stronger to tech majors.

Learn something new everyday.

Packer · Feb 28, 2012

jazz1111 said:
My S received this information recently from his squadron commander:

HQ AFROTC expects to award approximately 2,300 EAs this year:
approx 1,500 to non-technical majors
approx 125 to foreign language majors
approx 675 to technical majors.

Good luck to all! Whatever the results, be proud of all your hard work & accomplishments!!

The 1500 non-techs and 675 techs number really surprises me considering the scholarship allocation numbers are reversed from this.

becksgirl · Feb 28, 2012

AFROTC competes Techs twice.

So, the 1500 non-tech slots will include tech majors who were not selected during the first round of tech selects.

The numbers given out are likely deceiving as there will be also Techs selected in the group of non-techs.

nick4060 · Feb 28, 2012

There were about 2,000 EAs awarded last year. So this year there are around 300 more slots available, which is good of course.

Also, there were only about 1,000 EAs set aside for non-tech majors last year. So it looks like there's a bit less of a demand for the tech majors during this cycle.

The board meets during the week of 12 March. Good luck to everyone competing

kinnem · Feb 28, 2012

becksgirl said:
AFROTC competes Techs twice.

So, the 1500 non-tech slots will include tech majors who were not selected during the first round of tech selects.

The numbers given out are likely deceiving as there will be also Techs selected in the group of non-techs.

That makes sense. So in essence there are
- 675 competitive slots reserved for tech majors
- 125 competitive slots reserved for foreign language majors
- 1500 competitive slots open to all

Moosestache · Feb 28, 2012

nick4060 said:
There were about 2,000 EAs awarded last year. So this year there are around 300 more slots available, which is good of course.

Also, there were only about 1,000 EAs set aside for non-tech majors last year. So it looks like there's a bit less of a demand for the tech majors during this cycle.

The board meets during the week of 12 March. Good luck to everyone competing

Sort of interesting thoughts though. There have been rumblings about putting more weights on the standard tests. Perhaps they are trying to use those tests to find people, regardless of their majors, who scored well on their tests, and may end up being more technically inclined in the long run.

Pima · Feb 29, 2012

That is right Moosetache. The new system reduces the CC's rec, and increases the AFOQT/SAT portion. This gives a benefit to the tech side, since many will have a higher score in this area compared to a non-tech major. Nobody flame me, my DS had a very high AFOQT/SAT and is a history major, but overall, tech majors trend higher than the avg non-tech.

Additionally, because the boards understand the rigor of a tech major compared to non-tech they give a pts edge to them. That is why you notice a lower cgpa for a tech than a non-tech.

The new system I believe has already been put in place for the rated boards. AFOQT or TBAS will be given more points now. The theory is they changed to the new system to be less subjective.

Jcleppe, If I am correct there are that many, people get confused by the way the AFROTC reports their numbers, because they go by contracted, and statistically only about 20% are as C100, and 200's. The rest are free to walk at anytime. Than when you add in the POCs, with a 55% selection rate, you come up to really about 5-6K contracted cadets at any given time. They are the only ones the AF is paying for as ROTC cadets.

If there are 4000, and 2300 will be selected this yr. you are still looking at @60% nationally, better than previous yrs, but I wouldn't be packing that A-3 bag yet! Plus, as it has been stated over and over again, school's like nick4060 will probably have close to 75% since they had high 60% in prior yrs., that means schools that were under the avg., may just be lucky to hit the 50% to create the avg.

We can discuss the numbers until the board results are released, but instead of stressing out, the positive aspect there will be growth. The negative will still be if your det historically has never met the avg. and you are not meeting the avg for cgpas.

Finally, one thing I would expect is you may see the academic portion (cgpa/AFOQT/SAT) to rise because many cadets know this is a big player in the equation, so they are pushing harder academically. Plus many cadets that did not get scholarships had very strong SATs. Back 2 yrs ago, the cadets only had the AFOQT(given as C100s) to be utilized, now many have the SAT.

Packer · Feb 29, 2012

The following quotes are from two different Commanders my son and I communicated with last spring. The data is for last year.

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This spring approx. 3,400 sophomore cadets nationwide competed for AF contract, ~2000 were selected (about 59%).

Across Air Force ROTC, about 60% of sophomores were retained to go on to Field Training. GPA, physical fitness, and SAT (or equivalent) scores were used to determine who received slots, with the majority of a cadet’s score coming from commander’s ranking. However, the Air Force is targeting cadets with technical degrees, such as mech engineering, for retention. About 80% of the cadets pursuing technical degrees were retained. Here at Det 905 we had an overall retention rate of 80% and 100% of our cadets pursuing technical degrees were retained.

Powers45 · Feb 29, 2012

This chart seems to sum up last year nicely too, here: http://www.google.com/imgres?q=AFRO...tart=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0&tx=99&ty=81

homewith4 · Mar 5, 2012

becksgirl said:
AFROTC competes Techs twice.

So, the 1500 non-tech slots will include tech majors who were not selected during the first round of tech selects.

The numbers given out are likely deceiving as there will be also Techs selected in the group of non-techs.

According to the briefing at my DS det, the 675 for tech majors is it. They will not compete again. Makes no sense...especially if a tech major has scored higher in the other areas then the non-tech, but that is what they were told. I guess we wait to see what happens in a few weeks.

Pima · Mar 5, 2012

I think where the confusion may lie is if people believe there are 2 boards like how the AFSC works. Rated goes 1st, those not selected live another day and compete on the non-rated. That is not this board.

The other AFSC missing out of this equation is nursing. Nursing is a high demand field and they would come from the 1500 number, thus it really isn't 1500 non-tech.

Also there are some that are what the school may deem as tech fields, but not by AFROTC standards, especially when you get into the computer majors or even biology.

The fact is AFROTC has always placed rigor of the course load into the equation and that is why you see the differentiation in the cgpa.

To say 3.0 for tech is safe is a fallacy because there are other portions into the equation. However, from a national perspective statistically 75% of tech majors that are up will get a slot, but you still have to be in that top 55% of the entire pool.

I would also say/stress Packer's post is why I say it is a fallacy.

The CC he quoted beat the national avg for both by @5%. This is why for lurkers that are candidates or will be candidates to visit every det., and ask the hard questions.

The avg was 55 and 75%, that means to make that avg another det had 50 and 70%. Now if you are accepted to both, and would be happy at either, financially equal, which one do you choose?

The below national avg or above knowing you MUST go to SFT? If you didn't visit each college you wouldn't have that answer to place into your equation, it could be a make or break for your AFROTC career future.

becksgirl · Mar 6, 2012

homewith4 said:
According to the briefing at my DS det, the 675 for tech majors is it. They will not compete again. Makes no sense...especially if a tech major has scored higher in the other areas then the non-tech, but that is what they were told. I guess we wait to see what happens in a few weeks.

Well, they were incorrect. Techs will be competing again.

Pima · Mar 7, 2012

homewith4.

It really comes down to the fact of allocation. If the AF told AFROTC 675 MUST be Tech, than the top 675 WCS will go to FT.

1500 left to compete, this is where the techs compete against non-techs. Highest WCS wins. Techs get a point edge academically compared to non-techs. Same with foreign language majors and nursing.

In essence we are muddying the waters.

Every cadet will get a score, end of subject, period, dot.

Lines are drawn in multiple ways.
~ 2300 will go

Remove the Tech, Foreign Language and nursing mins.

For this example let's use Tech.

Top 675 guaranteed.
Assume there are 825 Tech's left on the list, remove the must haves and 1200 slots are available.
Add in the non-techs who have been scored.

They now just go down the line using everyone's score as in or out. Major is considered "blind", it is all about the score.

Now they draw a new line. 1200 from that batch go. That is why you will see more techs than just 675.

The 825 didn't meet a 2nd board per se (i.e. a different date), they just fought on the general board against everyone after the 1st 675 were guaranteed.