Dixieland
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What would the commandant say if he logged on to see these remarks?
What WOULD the Comm say? Curious.
"old farts"
What would the commandant say if he logged on to see these remarks?
"old farts"
Did your sons get candy bars?Well....In ROTC, corrective Paddy Cake is still alive and well.
Did your sons get candy bars?
That has been the standard for awhile now. The new rules, first introduced for 2016, limit corrective PT to 5 reps or 45 seconds of pushups (with similar restrictions on other exercises). There is not less incentive to correct, there is more fear of getting a hazing board."Corrective PT" as you probably think of it no longer happens according to my NC. They are only allowed to make you do what they are willing to do themselves. That is, "drop and give me 20" means you do the 20 with them. It is a disincentive for capricious hazing, but also means less incentive to "correct."
What I am trying to figure out is why a current USMA cadet is on here making critical comments of a training decision by his/her CoC (not that I totally disagree with the sentiments). What would the commandant say if he logged on to see these remarks? I think that is highly unprofessional. Let the "old farts" bellyache. Less negative implications for future USMA cadets viewing this forum for information and less prospect of career implications. IMO. You are free to do what you want.
Yeah, I have no idea who Copyrighted the photos (because I came along after they have been taken down).
That said, photos are not PII and are not protected by the Privacy Act. I'm sorry to say this, but the identities of the rank and file Army are not protected. Yes, some small communities do often protect their member's identities, like Special Forces, but that is not the case here.
If you ask an Army public affairs officer if an identifiable shot of a service member is protected they should (but probably won't) laugh at you.
Just remember, Beast, Swab Summer, Plebe Summer or another other summer.... is not about training your son to be a leader.... not yet.
If academies could break them down, train them to follow and train them to lead in 7 weeks.... we could save a lot of money but ditching the remaining 4 years. That first summer is about making a united (at least somewhat) group that can survive a school year and learn along the way.
What I am trying to figure out is why a current USMA cadet is on here making critical comments of a training decision by his/her CoC (not that I totally disagree with the sentiments). What would the commandant say if he logged on to see these remarks? I think that is highly unprofessional. Let the "old farts" bellyache. Less negative implications for future USMA cadets viewing this forum for information and less prospect of career implications. IMO. You are free to do what you want.
I seldom ask PAO for legal advice.
I missed a golden opportunity.
"I seldom ask PAO for legal advice, but when I do, they say JAG is right down the hall."
I seldom ask PAO for legal advice.
And yet he's totally right. Must sting a bit...
I missed a golden opportunity.
"I seldom ask PAO for legal advice, but when I do, they say JAG is right down the hall."
I never thought Beast was for attrition. The freaking application process itself does that.
Could someone please explain to me how:
1. Corrective PT takes away from other military training?
2. Why corrective pt is a bad thing, especially when there are some new cadets who are severely underprepared physically? Beast or not, they will still have to pass all their DPE classes...
And for the record, 2015 did get mess hall hamburgers and hot dogs after the cbt I challenge. We did not get fall out or candy, and we did not stay for long because we had to finish cleaning for our first SAMI
For me it appears that this unquantifiable and unique standard is getting keep pushed back and increases the chance of adverse impact. A New cadet reports to West Point physically unprepared. No problem, he just reported, he got 4 years to meet the Army standard. At what point do we decide he is not going to meet the standard or are we going to accept 180 on the APFT. No big deal, he branched whatever branch that is not known for physical requirements. I disagree as any 2LT to score 180 is not acceptable regardless what future job he might have. At what point do we introduce stress to officers wanna be, if not during Beast, when? Not everybody goes to Ranger School. I don't know how tough BOLC is?
So at what point will cadets get introduced to physical and mental challenges for their development?
A note from one of the parents' message groups re the NCs in the photos in Central Area with the candy bars:
Parent commented on NC daughter's smile in picture. Daughter replied that "The Comm tells me to smile, I smile!".
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Personally, my read from the peanut gallery is that physical standards for acceptance need a revisit. Just too much empirical evidence that those that struggle with CFA also struggle physically during CBT. And APFT during AY. And Mil Movement. And CFT. And during their MIAD, assuming they get to go. More likely to become profile rangers, etc. This is based on having some visibility to cadets in our state, along with DS experience with platoon & teammates...