Nomination and Appointment Question

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If several individuals receive a nomination from a congresswoman and one of those individuals gets an appointment to the academy are the remaining individuals still capable of obtaining an appointment? Could two individuals that received nominations from the same congresswoman both obtain appointments?
 
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Yes, it is not only possible but likely that multiple individuals whom received nominations from the same source will be offered appointments. Each congressperson has a maximum of 5 vacancies to fill at each Service Academy. On a different note, does anyone know if Senator Bob Casey (PA Senator) ranks his nomination slate? I am very curious as to whether or not his nominations are ranked or are competitive. If so, is there any way I can figure out what rank I am on his slate?
 
Yes.

USNA will take the candidate with the highest WCS (whole candidate score) from the competitive list (assuming there is no principal). If the 1st candidate accepts the appointment, then the other 9 go in to the national pool and compete nationally for the remaining spots. Once again, highest WCS wins.
 
navymomwannabe said:
Yes.

USNA will take the candidate with the highest WCS (whole candidate score) from the competitive list (assuming there is no principal). If the 1st candidate accepts the appointment, then the other 9 go in to the national pool and compete nationally for the remaining spots. Once again, highest WCS wins.
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How is WCS calculated?
 
BJ604 said:
Yes, it is not only possible but likely that multiple individuals whom received nominations from the same source will be offered appointments. Each congressperson has a maximum of 5 vacancies to fill at each Service Academy. On a different note, does anyone know if Senator Bob Casey (PA Senator) ranks his nomination slate? I am very curious as to whether or not his nominations are ranked or are competitive. If so, is there any way I can figure out what rank I am on his slate?
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5 vacancies per academy? or 5 for all academies?
 
Yesterday NCdoc referenced a 2003 doc from the GAO about Service Academy oversight and included a summary of the admissions methodology of each SA. I found it interesting for a quick scan. No idea if things have changed but here is the summary comparison for "Whole Person Score":

USNA - 75% academic/19% Leadership/5% physical aptitude/ 1% technical interest; additions to WPS can be gained from BGO interview, etc.
USMA - 60% academic / 30% leadership / 10% physical aptitude
USAFA - 60% academic / 20% leadership / 20% selection panel (includes physical aptitude and interview)

Link to source material:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/240/239612.pdf
 
The Whole Person Multiple can be changed for a multitude of things. Additionally, it is possible for Candidate A to have a higher WPM than Candidate B, but Candidate A is found not qualified and Candidate B is. Hence, the WPM isn't necessarily the end all, be all.
 
BJ604,

My guess is that he doesn't. I'm in PA (didnt get a nomination from either Casey or Toomey) but my congressman doesn't rank candidates. It's just competitive, and I did get one from my congressman. Btw I am in district 16. What about you?
 
BJ604 said:
On a different note, does anyone know if Senator Bob Casey (PA Senator) ranks his nomination slate? I am very curious as to whether or not his nominations are ranked or are competitive. If so, is there any way I can figure out what rank I am on his slate?
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Each MOC can do their noms differently each year. If they feel that there is one truly outstanding candidate who deserves to be at the academy more than anyone else on the list, then they may give that candidate a principal nom, regardless of how they've done it in years past. This would be something that you would need to clear up with the Senator's office - they'll be more than happy to answer you. However, if the letter doesn't say you are an alternate or a principal/primary, then it is most likely that you were given a competitive nom.
 
My DS received our MOC's nomination, but was told by his office that he did not receive the "primary" nomination as that went to a candidate for USAFA. Does this sound right??? I thought nominations for each academy was completely separate from one another and that they could nominate a "primary" candidate for each academy. Any insight on this? I'm just trying to get my facts straight before calling his office to get more clarification. Thanks.
 
OR STATER said:
My DS received our MOC's nomination, but was told by his office that he did not receive the "primary" nomination as that went to a candidate for USAFA. Does this sound right??? I thought nominations for each academy was completely separate from one another and that they could nominate a "primary" candidate for each academy. Any insight on this? I'm just trying to get my facts straight before calling his office to get more clarification. Thanks.
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You are correct that the noms for each academy are completely separate.
 
smmtx1 - Thanks for the link. Some interesting info in there...one item people me be interested in from the Glossary (bold added by me):

"Selectivity - is the number of appointments offered divided by the number of candidates with a nomination. USNA average is 31%"
 
I found out yesterday my DS was #2 on our MOC's nomination list. Unfortunately our MOC only has 1 opening for USNA this year. If the #1 choice accepts an appointment, does our DS still have any chance of getting in this year?
 
OR STATER said:
I found out yesterday my DS was #2 on our MOC's nomination list. Unfortunately our MOC only has 1 opening for USNA this year. If the #1 choice accepts an appointment, does our DS still have any chance of getting in this year?
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Yes. He goes on the National Waiting List. How did you find out he's #2?
 
I called the MOC's office and that's what they told me. I guess I don't understand how if our MOC has a full 5 Midshipmen at USNA, how my DS could get in with his nomination??? How does this "national pool" work?
 
The national waiting list means instead of competing in your congressional district or your state, you compete nationally. If USNA wants you, they will find a NOM slate to put you on. Meaning, if your congressman does not have a slot, they could use VP, or a different MOC slot if there were no applicants, etc.
 
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