Because each MOC/Senator typically only has one nominated candidate receive an appointment, is it to say that each MOC/senator does have a candidate get nominated? I don't know if I'm making sense, but in my head I am thinking that each nominator has an appointee, which would mean I am only competing for admission against those in my district. Or are there a lot more Nominators than there are appointments?
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Because each MOC/Senator typically only has one nominated candidate receive an appointment, is it to say that each MOC/senator does have a candidate get nominated? I don't know if I'm making sense, but in my head I am thinking that each nominator has an appointee, which would mean I am only competing for admission against those in my district. Or are there a lot more Nominators than there are appointments?
There are far more slots than Nominators. There are 535 members of Congress. Add in the VP and Presidential Noms and you are still under 600. The USNA gives out roughly 1400 nominations each year (and about 200 turn down the offer) for a class size of ~1200.
You are competing against people from your District as well as from the rest of the US. Each member gets to nominate 10 people for each opening which is usually 1 per year, but every 4th year (on average) can have 2. Some members of Congress don't have anyone apply and, therefore, no nominees. Once the 1 person is picked off each list, the rest of the nominees get put into a big pool of people who also didn't get the 1 official nomination. That huge list is ranked by a score that the Naval Academy gives them. The school then picks hundreds of people from that national list. Because each person is ranked you can get #'s 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 (for example) off one Member's list but not even get the #2 off another Member's list.
To summarize: you are initially competing against the other people on your list for the 1 slot, then later you are competing against everyone who is left.
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Wait but then wouldn't it be that the MOCs would possibly have more than one nominee per year multiple years in a row?
The people that make it off the list don't get charged to the original Nominator. They get charged to MOC's who didn't have anyone apply, or to the Superintendent of the NA, or some other source.
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The MOCs are allowed 10 nominees per year per vacancy. Most years there is only one vacancy, some years there may be 2 or more, as they can have only 5 attending a service academy at one time. SO as one graduates, a vacancy is opened up. SO only 1 can be appointed and charged to that MOC for each vacancy, however there may be several that were originally on the slate of 10 nominees that end up with appointments, because they are appointed from the national pool or under a Presidential nomination, or some other nominating source. So, yes, even thought only one was technically charged to that MOC, that MOC could have several of his nominees appointed in the same year.
I don't think those appointed from the national pool have to be "charged" to anyone. And you can't be charged to a MOC if they aren't "your" MOC. You can't be charged to a MOC out of your district or state.
I don't think those appointed from the national pool have to be "charged" to anyone. And you can't be charged to a MOC if they aren't "your" MOC. You can't be charged to a MOC out of your district or state.
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Sorry if I'm rehashing old discussions, but I'm still curious if I understand the numbers correctly. I believe all the MOC's combined, (+25% for their add'l appt every 4th year), plus Presidential, VP, etc, totals approximately 770 possible appointments charged to nominating sources. So I am correct that as many as 700 or more appointments could be offered from the national pool that are not charged to a nominating source, and that these are based on WCS only?
Take out your copy of any Class Profile as published by Admissions around July each year and you will have the answers to many of your questions regarding nominations, fully qualified candidates, offers of appointment, and class size as of I-Day. Generally, each year there are about 6400 nominations awarded by the nominating sources. About 5,200 will be nominations from MOC's, about 800 will be Presidential, the remainder will be from various sources including SecNav, NROTC, etc. Normally, you will discover that about 2,500 candidates are declared 3Q'ed, about 1,400 offers of appointment will be tendered, and for the past several years about 1,200 young men and women will be sworn in on I-Day. There is more information in the Class Profile regarding ECA's, numbers of appointees of USNA grads, etc. It really is pretty straightforward as far as it goes, but it does not offer a breakdown by state, congressional district, etc, although I do recall there being a site that purported to have that information available - I cannot vouch for the site's pedigree, but it is out there somewhere. I suspect the site is mentioned someplace in this forums' archives. Sincerely - I would suggest that there are more important things for candidates and appointees to be doing over the next four months when the heavy bronze doors of Mother Bancroft slam shut on USNA Class of 2019! Best wishes to all of you who still are waiting for ANY communication from USNA.