Thankfully there have not been any incidents of sexual assault as has occurred at AFA, USNA, USMA and VMI.
Once again, suggest you check your facts, Bob. Feel free to use google, it won't take you long--try summer camp, just for starters...
Thankfully there have not been any incidents of sexual assault as has occurred at AFA, USNA, USMA and VMI.
I was far more secure about what my son was engaged in at VMI than I would be if my kid was at UMASS.
Hazing has nothing to do with training! I have been on both ends of the spectrum. I was hazed as a young Soldier (mid-80s) and I was in a leadership position when the Army took a stand against hazing and harrasment (mid-90s). Stress innoculation can take place without the use of humiliation or abuse.
Very well said--had very similar experience.What's considered hazing is a moving target. The question is, what tough stuff is considered hazing and what tough stuff has training value. Either way, your mom won't like to hear about the tough stuff (mine almost cried when I told her the stories).
I would also add that "hazing" in the true sense of the word occurs most often behind the closed doors of many fraternities than at SMCs. JMHO...
Folks - whatever "hazing" at SMCs exists today is a pale comparison to what is going on in some of the most well respected - Ivy League and public Ivys. like Dartmouth College, U Va, Yale and other schools where hazing takes the form of out of control binge drinking, humiliating abuse, and forced sexual encounters that in some cases leads to rape. At Clemson University there is an investigation of a student death during a "fraternity run." Alcohol is suspected. Here is a recent excerpt from a Dartmouth College article in Cosmopolitan. Dartmouth College graduate Andrew Lohse shared his experience in a fraternity, claiming "all the hazing warps guys' concept of consent." Lohse said his fraternity brothers would call girls "sluts" and "slampieces," working tirelessly to get them drunk and have sex with them. He also described the fraternity's basement, where brothers were hazed and girls sometimes entered, as a "predatory conspiracy." He wrote:
"The frat basement was a place we as pledges came to associate with forced drinking, nudity, humiliation, and submission to those higher on the social hierarchy. Most of our hazing events took place when we'd been ordered to drink such extreme amounts of alcohol that we couldn't have possibly consented to them. But we were indoctrinated that this type of exploitation was totally normal. This brainwashing was subconsciously projected onto any non-brothers, i.e., women, who entered the space, and I think it rewired some guys."
The author of Confessions of an Ivy League Frat Boy: A Memoir, coming out Aug. 26, Lohse has shared his stories about being a member of Dartmouth's Greek system before.
In 2012, Lohse told the Rolling Stone that in order to be a "true bro," you have to be able to drink "inhuman amounts of beer," "vomit profusely" and "perform a number of other hard-partying feats."
He also revealed in the school's paper, The Dartmouth, that the fraternity hazed pledges by making them swim in a kiddie pool full of vomit and urine, chug vinegar and drink beer poured down fellow pledges' behinds. Lohse also accused the Ivy League school's Greek system of "pervasive hazing, substance abuse and sexual assault."
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Also, my grandfather attended Marine Corps Boot Camp in 1957 and later became a Special Forces soldier in the US Army in the early 1960's (no idea how training for that worked at the time). Ask him about hazing, I dare ya.