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pretty clueless about how the process occurs for selection. i know gpa, pft scores go into it as well as the detachment commander's assessment..... but who actually decides? do they complete the background check before "they" offer slots? what happens to the cadets that don't get offered a slot? can they apply to OTS upon graduation or are they just out? so much has changed since the hubby went thru ROTC all those years ago!
 
soccermomma5 said:
pretty clueless about how the process occurs for selection. i know gpa, pft scores go into it as well as the detachment commander's assessment..... but who actually decides? do they complete the background check before "they" offer slots? what happens to the cadets that don't get offered a slot? can they apply to OTS upon graduation or are they just out? so much has changed since the hubby went thru ROTC all those years ago!
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First you have to be eligible so you have to have completed or are in progress of completing your AS classes. AS100 & AS200. Now how to get a slot that's on the cadet most of it. Thing things that go into your EA packet are 1. AFOQT scores, 2. PFA, 3. CGPA, 4. Commanders ranking. First you need a good cumulative gpa to be competitive I would say 3.2-3.5 cgpa. Competitive PFAs are usually 98-100, to get a high commanders ranking that's 100% on what you do around your detachment. You need to pass the AFOQT before even being able to put a in a EA packet. The percentages are 40% Commander ranking, 30% AFOQT, 15% PFA, 15% CGPA. Now as far as who actually looks over your packet, there's a board of AF officers who look over every applicant and decide whether they are fit for a EA slot. You can go Rated (Pilot, CSO, RPA, ABM) Non-Rated (everything else). As well you can go Tech/rated and Tech/non-rated.

For all the cadets who were not selected who still desire military service, consider all options available to you to inside or outside of AFROTC or another service program, or OTS or even enlistment, if you so choose. Most of the time if they don't make it and it's the first time around applying they come back as AS500s( just have PT and LLab no AS class).

I was selected this year actually leaving for Max 2 in 8 days! So pumped.
 
The first thing I would say is do not assume at all that they will offer AS500. For many years they actually did enrolled almost all cadets not selected as an AS 200/250. It was very rare to be offered a 500. It will all vary year by year depending on the amount of cadets they will need to commission 2 years later.

The second thing to add is the cgpa typically avg. 3.0/3.1 for tech majors and a 3.3/3.4 for non-tech.

It is also not true that you have to pass the AFOQT to meet the board. That maybe true for your unit, but the reg. is you have to pass to attend. Many CoCs knowing this will not submit the cadets name for that reason. There is a poster here with an AFOQT slot that got pulled because they failed it a 2nd time, but was offered an EA after they failed the 1st time, but before failing it a 2nd time. The thing about the AFOQT and the need to pass is you cannot retake it with less than 180 days a part. Taking it in Sept. of your 200/250 year means you can't take it again until after the board meets and results are released.

Unless something has changed in the past few years, the way it works for OTS is they ask if you were ever in ROTC or USAFA. if yes, than how did the separation occur? If not selected than HQ AFROTC can be the one that disenrolled you by not offering a 500 slot, not you voluntarily leaving.
 
WilB-2 said:
soccermomma5 said:
pretty clueless about how the process occurs for selection. i know gpa, pft scores go into it as well as the detachment commander's assessment..... but who actually decides? do they complete the background check before "they" offer slots? what happens to the cadets that don't get offered a slot? can they apply to OTS upon graduation or are they just out? so much has changed since the hubby went thru ROTC all those years ago!
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First you have to be eligible so you have to have completed or are in progress of completing your AS classes. AS100 & AS200. Now how to get a slot that's on the cadet most of it. Thing things that go into your EA packet are 1. AFOQT scores, 2. PFA, 3. CGPA, 4. Commanders ranking. First you need a good cumulative gpa to be competitive I would say 3.2-3.5 cgpa. Competitive PFAs are usually 98-100, to get a high commanders ranking that's 100% on what you do around your detachment. You need to pass the AFOQT before even being able to put a in a EA packet. The percentages are 40% Commander ranking, 30% AFOQT, 15% PFA, 15% CGPA. Now as far as who actually looks over your packet, there's a board of AF officers who look over every applicant and decide whether they are fit for a EA slot. You can go Rated (Pilot, CSO, RPA, ABM) Non-Rated (everything else). As well you can go Tech/rated and Tech/non-rated.

For all the cadets who were not selected who still desire military service, consider all options available to you to inside or outside of AFROTC or another service program, or OTS or even enlistment, if you so choose. Most of the time if they don't make it and it's the first time around applying they come back as AS500s( just have PT and LLab no AS class).

I was selected this year actually leaving for Max 2 in 8 days! So pumped.
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congrats on your selection! are you saying you get your "rated" slot when you get selected for field training? my son has a non technical major and is wanting to fly (like his dad and brother). any idea about the background check?
 
soccermomma5 said:
congrats on your selection! are you saying you get your "rated" slot when you get selected for field training? my son has a non technical major and is wanting to fly (like his dad and brother). any idea about the background check?
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Thank you!
And yes I received a Rated EA. I have a non-tech major as well, Health Administration. So I'm sure it's possible. A background check? I don't remember getting one done. I know when you sign up for the first time the make everyone new fill out some confidential forms. So that could be the "background check", they ask a bunch of personal questions on it. Parents can't even be in the room for it. All this is at new student orientation. Maybe someone else can add on to this.
 
soccermomma5 said:
congrats on your selection! are you saying you get your "rated" slot when you get selected for field training? my son has a non technical major and is wanting to fly (like his dad and brother). any idea about the background check?
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Time for some clarity.

No, any AS 200 that got SFT and stated they would go rated upon commissioning, RECEIVED a rated slot. In their 300 year they will meet the RATED board and will know in March if they go Pilot, CSO, RPA or ABM...or NADA. They are not guaranteed any rated position like it was back in your husbands day.
~ What they do now is force cadets to acknowledge if they plan to go rated when they are sophomores. That is it.

There is no rated guarantee. They are going to SFT....should be congratulated for that selection, BUT. it has nothing to do with what it was back in your DHs day or even 3 years ago.
~ Again, it is just them declaring to HQ AFROTC that they are willing to go rated.
~~ No offense WilB...just saying I think the OP believes you have a rated slot which is not true. Next year you will know if you do, but not today.

After graduating from SFT, they will return to school as a POC. They will take the TBAS. Flight hours matter more than you can know. The cadets going for rated will get points for how many flight hours (PCSM). Even as little as 10 hours can bump up their score. PPL, and they can get waived from attending IFS (initial Flight Screening) at Pueblo.

Their ranking out of SFT will matter too for their OML.

Their rising senior year after being selected for a rated spot will include the TS clearance. Background check.
~ TS clearance may require some working for you since you inferred your husband was also military via ROTC
~~ They go all the way back since birth, and will interview at least 2 or 3 people. They show up at their homes and it takes @30-45 minutes.
~~~ Your child will submit the references. They will ask them a ton of questions.

If he is selected rated, especially pilot, than they will fly him out to WPAFB for the FAA FC1 flight physical. It is 3 days. This is not a DoDMERB exam. This is everything from a dental check up for wisdom teeth to an EKG that every cadet will do. Think from cranium to toes will be looked at. It ends with a DoDMERB type exam with a flight surgeon.

You than wait 4-6 weeks for the results.

Getting an SFT slot is something to rejoice in, but it is not rated, and I would not like any cadet to believe that is the case. Sheer numbers state it can't be, they need Intel, Cyber, Comm, etc.

I would also plead with every AFROTC cadet that wants to fly, please read Raimius UPT blog.

SFT board is a cake walk. Rated a little more pressure. Real world is IFS with a 15-20% bust rate...no UPT. UPT with a washout rate of 25% phase 1, and another 25% in phase 2.

Here is Debbie Downer now... DS is only 1 of 4 out of 13 at his commissioning actually winged. His unit had 100% rated selection. If you do the math using his unit, they were right on par with the AF's stats.
~ 13 Pilots....3 busted IFS
~~ 10 left to start UPT phase 1

~ 3 busted phase 1 (T6s) @30%
~~ 7 left

~ 3 busted phase 2.
~~ 4 left to wing as an AF pilor.

All of them, like our DS, and us thought as a scholarship recipient that desired to fly, especially fighters that the scholarship was the hardest part.

This is coming from a wife that spent 20+ years following her AFROTC commissioned F15E WSO how I learned when my DS walked down this path, it is going to be years of riding the emotional rollercoaster. Luckily with hindsight I look back and laugh now1
 
Pima said:
Time for some clarity.

No, any AS 200 that got SFT and stated they would go rated upon commissioning, RECEIVED a rated slot. In their 300 year they will meet the RATED board and will know in March if they go Pilot, CSO, RPA or ABM...or NADA. They are not guaranteed any rated position like it was back in your husbands day.
~ What they do now is force cadets to acknowledge if they plan to go rated when they are sophomores. That is it.

There is no rated guarantee. They are going to SFT....should be congratulated for that selection, BUT. it has nothing to do with what it was back in your DHs day or even 3 years ago.
~ Again, it is just them declaring to HQ AFROTC that they are willing to go rated.
~~ No offense WilB...just saying I think the OP believes you have a rated slot which is not true. Next year you will know if you do, but not today.

After graduating from SFT, they will return to school as a POC. They will take the TBAS. Flight hours matter more than you can know. The cadets going for rated will get points for how many flight hours (PCSM). Even as little as 10 hours can bump up their score. PPL, and they can get waived from attending IFS (initial Flight Screening) at Pueblo.

Their ranking out of SFT will matter too for their OML.

Their rising senior year after being selected for a rated spot will include the TS clearance. Background check.
~ TS clearance may require some working for you since you inferred your husband was also military via ROTC
~~ They go all the way back since birth, and will interview at least 2 or 3 people. They show up at their homes and it takes @30-45 minutes.
~~~ Your child will submit the references. They will ask them a ton of questions.

If he is selected rated, especially pilot, than they will fly him out to WPAFB for the FAA FC1 flight physical. It is 3 days. This is not a DoDMERB exam. This is everything from a dental check up for wisdom teeth to an EKG that every cadet will do. Think from cranium to toes will be looked at. It ends with a DoDMERB type exam with a flight surgeon.

You than wait 4-6 weeks for the results.

Getting an SFT slot is something to rejoice in, but it is not rated, and I would not like any cadet to believe that is the case. Sheer numbers state it can't be, they need Intel, Cyber, Comm, etc.

I would also plead with every AFROTC cadet that wants to fly, please read Raimius UPT blog.

SFT board is a cake walk. Rated a little more pressure. Real world is IFS with a 15-20% bust rate...no UPT. UPT with a washout rate of 25% phase 1, and another 25% in phase 2.

Here is Debbie Downer now... DS is only 1 of 4 out of 13 at his commissioning actually winged. His unit had 100% rated selection. If you do the math using his unit, they were right on par with the AF's stats.
~ 13 Pilots....3 busted IFS
~~ 10 left to start UPT phase 1

~ 3 busted phase 1 (T6s) @30%
~~ 7 left

~ 3 busted phase 2.
~~ 4 left to wing as an AF pilor.

All of them, like our DS, and us thought as a scholarship recipient that desired to fly, especially fighters that the scholarship was the hardest part.

This is coming from a wife that spent 20+ years following her AFROTC commissioned F15E WSO how I learned when my DS walked down this path, it is going to be years of riding the emotional rollercoaster. Luckily with hindsight I look back and laugh now1
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Thank you for clarifying for me. I didn't think to clarify the specific details of my "rated EA". Can you provide the link for Raimius UPT blog?
 
If you look up raimius on here it is his signature.

The beginning is USAFA, but later on he goes into full detail what it is like to be a student at IFS and UPT in great detail. It is true to the point.

I would only add on one thing, have your folks read it too since they might expect you to call frequently.
 
the whole IFS, UPT etc. we are fully aware of as his brother just graduated from UPT. pretty exciting stuff!
 
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