CIET Cancelled?

Our DS just called yesterday... He just got the nod to attend CIET this summer. He is a contracted MSII. Good thing, as he passed on a really good internship offer...
 
DS # III and MS II was assigned Airbourne for this summer. All others receiving slots (AA etc..) were MSII's that just happened to be contracted SMP cadets & OSUT graduates like my DS. The rest of the contracted MS II's are doing CULP & CIET from what I understand.
 
Here's an update on DS: a member of cadre informed the cadets that there had previously been some sort of error made at cadet command. The battalion has now been informed that they will be going to CIET (can't remember if they were given 6 or 8 slots). DS is now waiting to find out if he will be one of the cadets going. It doesn't seem like very many slots, but I'm not in charge. Fingers crossed he gets to go!
 
DS did not get Airborne or Air Assault. Battalion only sent one cadet for a slot, but will send four plus DS to CULP which I believe figures well into OML when seeking active duty in two years. Nevertheless, DS happy since he can do an internship he scheduled just in case.
 
CIET is really becoming a PIMA ( no offense to our lovely Pima ;)) . DS cannot make plans for an internship because NOBODY seems to know if and when a cadet will be going. On top of that even getting a job over the summer is going to be difficult due to the unknown nature of the cadets schedule. DS is going to take a class over the summer so he is hopeful his HR person can have some influence as to if and when he goes. DS is under the impression ( no factual basis) the OML determines who will go and it also seems to be up in the air as to who will go... MSI only, MSI and MSII, contracted only. I am at a loss as to how CC is going to get 4500 cadre/support and 9500 cadets orders,flights,accomodations and all of the other stuff that goes along with moving 15,000 people by 05/01/2015. DS has a buddy from a very large Midwest school he met on his CULP trip last year. This friend said he was told by an o-6 " CIET this year is going to be like building an airplane while in midflight". The expense alone is going to be staggering.
Pay for 9500 cadets: $9,500,000 ( $1000 per cadet)
Flights/ground transportation for 9500 cadets: $4,750,000 ($500 per cadet)
Room and board: God only knows...

These figures on top of the pay, transportation and room/board for the support folks. This could easily be a $20,000,000 GF!
 
My battalion just had a meeting last week saying that we had to sacrifice 3 MSIIIs to help out of CIET, so it's pretty set in stone.
 
Does anyone know when final CIET assignments will be made? (DS was able to pick top 3 regiment date choices - just wondering when those dates will be finalized)
 
Have a feeling that final assignments vary. DS (contracted MS1) finalized his travel arrangements and paperwork yesterday....does this mean that he is "for sure" going on the dates he signed up for (the first group)?
 
" CIET this year is going to be like building an airplane while in midflight".

Flights/ground transportation for 9500 cadets: $4,750,000 ($500 per cadet)

I think that's an understatement.

Your being way to optimistic on the cost of flights to CIET/CLC. You'll be shocked to see what the Army actually pays for these flights.

My son's ticket to Ft. Bragg for CTLT from Seattle was over $1700.00, just for kicks I looked up the same flight on Expedia and found it for $425.00. The Army pays the rack rate, talk about a budget buster.
 
I am at a loss as to how CC is going to get 4500 cadre/support and 9500 cadets orders,flights,accomodations and all of the other stuff that goes along with moving 15,000 people by 05/01/2015

Sheriff, how did you come up with those numbers ?? From this link back in Feb, http://www.army.mil/article/142129/..._meeting_for_2015_ROTC_Cadet_Summer_Training/ :

"CIET will have a maximum load of 2,580 Cadets in 2015, 1,000 lateral entry Cadets and 1580 scholarship Cadets, divided among nine regiments. In FY15, 960 MS III Cadets will receive direct leadership development experience by serving in company-level cadre positions as squad leaders, platoon sergeants and platoon leaders with officer and NCO cadre as mentors." This doesn't come even remotely close to your numbers.
 
Sheriff, how did you come up with those numbers ?? From this link back in Feb, http://www.army.mil/article/142129/..._meeting_for_2015_ROTC_Cadet_Summer_Training/ :

"CIET will have a maximum load of 2,580 Cadets in 2015, 1,000 lateral entry Cadets and 1580 scholarship Cadets, divided among nine regiments. In FY15, 960 MS III Cadets will receive direct leadership development experience by serving in company-level cadre positions as squad leaders, platoon sergeants and platoon leaders with officer and NCO cadre as mentors." This doesn't come even remotely close to your numbers.


Your right, the numbers will be around 2580 for CIET, you forget there will also be around 5300 cadets there for CLC, that total alone is 8150, add in those cadets that will go as end of camp commissions and the number rises again. The cadre for CLC will not be MS3's, they will only be working CIET, Not only do the have to bring in cadre and trainers for CLC, they will be having newly commissioned 2LT's that will be paid their salaries while serving as cadre. In the end, Sheriff is not far off in his numbers.

Now, when you add in the numbers for CULP that will go through Ft. Knox, the numbers he listed could even be a bit conservative.
 
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Sheriff, how did you come up with those numbers ?? From this link back in Feb, http://www.army.mil/article/142129/..._meeting_for_2015_ROTC_Cadet_Summer_Training/ :

"CIET will have a maximum load of 2,580 Cadets in 2015, 1,000 lateral entry Cadets and 1580 scholarship Cadets, divided among nine regiments. In FY15, 960 MS III Cadets will receive direct leadership development experience by serving in company-level cadre positions as squad leaders, platoon sergeants and platoon leaders with officer and NCO cadre as mentors." This doesn't come even remotely close to your numbers.

From the same article referenced above.

Members of various training committees and regimental staff also coordinated with Range Control and conducted recons of their training areas, while CST staff sections met to iron out the details necessary to support the 14,000 Soldiers and Cadets who'll cycle through Fort Knox over the hundred-day period.

ROTC Cadre will arrive throughout the month of May for CST just as their school year ends. An advance party sets up on May 1, and CST will last through Aug. 16. Cadet Command expects 9,500 Cadets to go through the training, with approximately 4,500 cadre and staff supporting them, according to Capt. Carneen Cotton of Cadet Command's Directorate of Leader Development and Education.
Frankly after re-reading the article I'm not sure how many cadets/cadre are involved in the whole process. The article seems to be confusing at best.
 
From the same article referenced above.

Members of various training committees and regimental staff also coordinated with Range Control and conducted recons of their training areas, while CST staff sections met to iron out the details necessary to support the 14,000 Soldiers and Cadets who'll cycle through Fort Knox over the hundred-day period.

ROTC Cadre will arrive throughout the month of May for CST just as their school year ends. An advance party sets up on May 1, and CST will last through Aug. 16. Cadet Command expects 9,500 Cadets to go through the training, with approximately 4,500 cadre and staff supporting them, according to Capt. Carneen Cotton of Cadet Command's Directorate of Leader Development and Education.
Frankly after re-reading the article I'm not sure how many cadets/cadre are involved in the whole process. The article seems to be confusing at best.

Okay, I see where you came up with the numbers. You just confused me (easily done, mind you) in that I thought the discussion was about CIET, not the entire ROTC traning at Knox this summer.
 
Spoke to DS last night, their battalion which is comprised of 3 schools is only alloted 7 CIET slots. If this is true one has to wonder how these cadets will be selected. Will it be volunteer, viewed as a reward for a good job, viewed as remedial training, or viewed as a program to help cadets that were recently contracted and not exposed to everything that earlier contraccted cadets were? So far no travel orders or communication for a while now.
 
DS found out he's not going until next summer. :(:bang:
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