1st week of AROTC

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  1. Georgia Mom

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    So DS completed his first week and so far so good. He really likes everyone he has met and most of the freshman are already forming a bond. The one thing that's bugging me is the confusion around what will happen in the summer after his freshman year. He was told they are still not positive if it is an LDAC type experience or if it will be pushed to the following summer. I might have the acronym confused as I know it isn't called that anymore but I am wondering if there are any other parents who might have heard about the plans for the class of 2018?

    He potentially has an opportunity to study abroad this summer and those applications start in October but not knowing what CC has planned is definitely confusing. Any updates from other cadets?

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  2. payitforward

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    Agree, and same situation here. Son is trying to figure out the study abroad plan, but isn't sure what CC will have going on. He's a sophomore.
     
  3. BAMA ROTC

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    The situation is semi-fluid but I don't think the change starts until 2016.
     
  4. EDelahanty

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    If historical patterns hold true, you'll get the news first here on SAF. Along with half a dozen inaccurate rumors. When the inevitable changes do come, they will be well thought out, mostly.

    In the meantime, your cadets should plan as if there won't be a change, at least as far as summer training. CULP sign-up will occur in October/November. Slots for Airborne, Air Assault etc. will continue to be competitive. Get good grades and do well in the APFTs.

    Glad to hear the new class is adjusting well.
     
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  5. Georgia Mom

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    Thanks for the comments everyone. I will update if we hear anything. I told DS to stick with the plan for study abroad and do the application when it opens. I guess he can always cancel that if CC changes anything.

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  6. Tgun

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    For most freshman ROTC cadets, nothing happens over the summer between Freshman and Sophomore year.

    LDAC does not occur until after Junior year.

    There may be some opportunities (CULP, etc.) for the summer after Sophomore year (normally very competitive and usually the cadre "invites" cadets for these schools, although it probably won't hurt if DS or DD expresses interest to the cadre).

    Even if "nothing happens" during the summer, remember to stay healthy, in physical shape, and keep out of trouble (underage drinking, driving violations, drugs, etc.), and it may be hard especially if their friends are all partying like there is no tomorrow.

    Any infraction could spell disaster: scholarship revocation, disenrollment from ROTC, etc.
     
  7. Vista123

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    what about project Go?
     
  8. payitforward

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    Tgun, there has been discussion that the overall training schedule is changing to include some combination of a summer-after-freshman-year and/or summer-after-sophomore-year Cadet Summer Course thing, thus the reason for GeorgiaMom's post.
     
  9. Tgun

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    Good to know, many thanks for the updated info / intel. Will need to ensure DS is aware and asks questions of his Battalion cadre & staff. I know he would love to participate in Army activities over the summer if offered and available.
     
  10. Tgun

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    GO Information:

    Program OverviewProject GO (Global Officers), originally titled the ROTC Language and Culture Project, is a Department of Defense initiative aimed at improving the language skills, regional expertise, and intercultural communication skills of future military officers. Administered by the Institute of International Education on behalf of the National Security Education Program and the Defense Language Office, Project GO provides institutional grants to 25 U.S. universities across the country, including five of the six Senior Military Colleges. Working in support of Army, Air Force, and Navy ROTC strategies and policies, Project GO facilitates collaborative efforts among universities and between universities and ROTC leadership.

    Since 2007, Project GO has provided approximately 2500 domestic and overseas summer scholarships to ROTC students for critical language study. Grant funding has provided over 860 domestic and overseas summer scholarships to ROTC students for critical language study. Grant funding has also supported university infrastructure in the critical languages and created venues for communication amongst ROTC leadership and university personnel.

    Project GO funds generally support direct student scholarships, program coordinators, language instructors, curriculum development, and outreach initiatives to support existing language programs. Some Project GO institutions also use their funding to provide academic year tutoring, offset additional study abroad costs during the academic year, or host guest speakers on cultural topics.

    http://www.rotcprojectgo.org/about/program

    Seems to be limited to only 25 university ROTC programs and specific languages.

    For non-language ROTC cadets, GO is probably most likely a NO GO.
     
  11. Thompson

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    I think staying healthy should probably be the number 1 priority for all cadets now.

    From speaking to a MSIV, they were told at LDAC (I think) that the commissioning numbers are going to shrink after next year.

    So the point is, it could be very possible that some of the slightest of problems may have a greater chance of getting you DQ'd, since the numbers will decrease.

    The summer training program that you are thinking about is Cadet Initial Entry Training (CIET). From what we were told, CC is not sure whether the program will be for rising MS1's or rising MSII's.
     
  12. Tgun

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    Hello, I found information on the CIET (Cadet Initial Entry Training) program for cadets finishing freshman year. Although it won't be implemented until Summer of 2016.

    "Since USACC's comprehensive review of senior ROTC programs in 2012 and 2013, the secretary and chief of staff of the Army approved recommendations to revise the senior ROTC program. Changes include:

    • Consolidating cadet training: In summer 2014, the Leader Development and Assessment Course, or LDAC, will begin at Fort Knox, Ky. Additionally, development of a new Cadet Initial Entry Training, or CIET, course is underway for implementation in summer 2016.


    • Transforming cadet leader development: USACC is developing new, more rigorous on-campus curriculum and moving basic military skills training to CIET."
     
  13. Jcleppe

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    I think I've read that same article, it was written toward the end of 2013. There have been more changes even since then. LDAC is no more, it is changing to CLC, still the summer after the junior year. The biggest changes are coming to the way the OML works and that will start with this years MS3's. The structure within the Battalions have changed as well, the MS4's no longer do Labs with the other classes, they are exclusively with the PMS now, the other classes have their own combined Labs.

    My son has mentioned that he really likes the new Battalion system, as MS4's they seem to be learning more of the nuts and bolts and everyday operations of the Army in regard to JO's.
     
  14. Vista123

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    thanks for this...
    I keep hearing about changes to the curriculum/structure and was curious as to what that meant.
     
  15. armydaughter

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    Just to clarify, the courses are given at those 25 locations but cadets from all battalions can apply. A cadet doesn't have to be studying the same language, or any language, at his/her home college. Several of the languages are offered in Project Go at the beginning level. My son happened to do a Project Go in the same language he is studying in NY. It's not his major but the one he is using for elective credit. One of my son's friends went to one of the beginning Arabic Project Go courses this past summer. I think my son said she was studying French at their "regular" school. Any cadet can apply to Project Go.
     
  16. dunninla

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    Our DD participated in Project Global Officer (GO) after sophomore year in college. She filled out her application in September, and found out in late Feb, if I recall.

    Project GO pays Universities to offer classes at Universities in the U.S., as well as a bunch of countries outside the U.S. Some languages, such as Arabic, are offered by many different US Universities as well as their non-US partner. As an example, Arabic is offered in Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, and perhaps one more country as well as several US college summer schools. Different US Universities can offer the same language but in different countries. Some courses of study (especially those abroad) require one year of language class at University prior to Project GO participation... in other words some programs abroad don't offer "Beginning X", but start at "Intermediate X" which is equivalent to college 2nd year. Most of the airfare, travel, and room/board are covered by most programs.

    I can highly recommend Project GO. Bear in mind the scholarship award committee is different for each University, and seems to prefer Scholarship, Contracted cadets over non contracted cadets.

    Oh, last thing... Project GO isn't Army, it's Department of Defense. Oh, and in some cases a cadet can get Culture and Language Incentive Pay Bonus (CLIP-B) after completing the Project Go summer. It depends on whether the University hosting the AROTC Battalion gives credit on the official transcript for the Project GO class. The cadet fills out the CLIP-B application with the help of the admin at his/her Battalion.
     
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    vista did your DS contract yet? If so I think the deadline for CULP is October, I don't think a ton of ms1s apply, but it certainly would be worth a shot...
     
  18. Vista123

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    Hi NoFodad!
    (thanks for all the help the past yr btw)
    I am not sure ds contracted yet. He got a 342 on pft so that is fine, and he downloaded and filled out and printed out all the paperwork over the summer (thanks to posters on this forum) so he is good to go, it is just a matter of HR getting it all turned in. His battalion seems to know whats-up and his ms3 mentor is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so he should have all the intel in hand. He said that he is signing up for CULP and if he doesn't get that he will do GO. I will keep on him...(I know I dont need to and he can do this on his own but old habits die hard...)

    Thanks to you and the other posters for keeping the newbies informed!!!!!!!!
     
  19. payitforward

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    DS, a noncontracted, nonscholarship cadet (hoping to contract this semester), received a Project GO scholarship to study Chinese at UNG's Summer Language Institute last summer. He not only learned Chinese, but because the program was so intense, he developed some killer study skills and time management techniques that he is applying across the board now that "regular" school started back. Win win.
     
  20. cajuncarrier

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    DS did CULP this summer as a MSI. He was the only one in that team. Most others were MSII & III.
     

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