2 Army ROTC leaders removed from NY state college's program

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  1. sheriff3

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    Wow, first time I have seen anything like this...

    http://www.armytimes.com/story/mili...s-removed-ny-state-colleges-program/76715250/

    BROCKPORT, N.Y. — The two top Army ROTC leaders at a New York state college have been removed from their positions after a physical training session sent 12 students enrolled in the program to local hospitals.

    Officials at The College at Brockport say Lt. Col. Christopher D. Bringer and Master Sgt. Mark E. Breyak are no longer running the ROTC program at the State University of New York school located 15 miles west of Rochester.

    Brockport officials say they requested the removals after 12 ROTC students sought treatment at three hospitals following strenuous training in early November. College officials say some students were hospitalized for several days.

    Details of the training and the nature of the injuries haven't been released.

    The pair has been temporarily removed from the campus pending the outcome of an investigation.
     
  2. kinnem

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    Clearly these folks did something wrong and didn't watch out for the welfare of their cadets.
     
  3. Pima

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    College officials say some students were hospitalized for several days.

    Hospitalized for several days?

    In this current healthcare costs environment several days is huge. Hospitals will kick you out faster than they will admit you...to stay several days is saying a lot. Passing a 9 lb baby out of your body at some hospitals does not equal more than 24 hrs.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out for Brockport...from a lawsuit aspect. I am going to guess they will be sued by the parents for not having enough oversight regarding the ROTC program and the welfare of the cadets.

    I think it was the right decision by the Army to remove the CoC. I am not sure about the MSgt. I don't want to get into the following a lawful order, but I can see somewhat of a defense.
    ~ DO NOT get me wrong...I can't imagine what they thought they were accomplishing in regards to training these kids..they are not going to go off and fight ISIS as ROTC cadets, and I get they want to prepare them for AD (no cakewalk), but 12 CADETS sent to a hospital is an insane amount, especially when you read this:
    http://cnycentral.com/news/local/ro...12-brockport-students-hospitalized-12-02-2015
    There are currently 55 Cadets/students who are enrolled in the program.

    In essence, 1 in 4.5 were sent to the hospital, and Brockport also stated:
    Campus health officials ended up checking out all ROTC students participating in the program as a precaution. All are in good health now.
     
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  4. Wilco

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    Below is link to the local Rochester paper; which reported information from the college's newspaper. They report injuries were from too intense, too long physical work over Veteran's day Week-end. That is the time frame many Northeast AROTC do their Fall 3 day leadership training. SUNY Brockport is host college, has approximate 55 member battalion. School has a reputation as a physical education school. Expect and hope cadets all have recovered. Unfortunately Lt. Col., and Sgt. careers may not.

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2015/12/02/rotc-officers-removed-after-brockport-students-hospitalized/76660958/


    State University of New York at Brockport "...college's student newspaper, The Stylus, reported the circumstances surrounding the removal. "One incident concerns the 'The Murph' workout, a sequence of exercises in the order of: a 1-mile run, 100 pull-ups, 200 push-ups, 300 squats, finishing with another mile run," reported The Stylus.
    This led to hospitalizations and the cancellation of a physical training session for the week following the incident.

    The Stylus reported that, while ROTC members claim to have workouts similar in difficulty to "The Murph,"' members said that the ill effects resulted from "the constant intensity of the workout throughout its entirety."
    Since the training in question took place over several days, it wasn't all related to "The Murph," Mihalyov said.

    "To the best of our knowledge, this was the first time this training was used at Brockport. It is not currently being used," Mihalyov said. Other ROTC members received calls from the college's Hazen Center for Integrated Care encouraging a visit to the center if they exhibited symptoms similar to those hospitalized, according to The Stylus. Center Director Elizabeth Caruso said the symptoms included the darkening of urine and a "condition of muscle breakdown," which can indicate additional medical problems.

    Mihalyov said that the college is not aware of any previous complaints about the ROTC training program being too demanding.

    While Belcher didn't know how common "The Murph" is, he said: "While any training physical regimen can be rigorous, our programs typically follow the U.S. Army's Physical Fitness program as outlined in Field Manual 7-22 Army Physical Readiness Training."

    He also said that he was not aware of any complaints about ROTC training programs being too rigorous.
     
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