2005 SAT stats for candidates offered admission

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  1. FatherOfFive

    FatherOfFive Member

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    My son's high school provides access to a website that contains information about most every college in the U.S. Here are the SATs from that site:

    --------------USNA---------------
    500-599 600-699 700-799
    M 17% 50% 33%
    V 29% 50% 21%

    --------------USAFA---------------
    500-599 600-699 700-799
    M 16% 56% 28%
    V 30% 54% 16%

    --------------USMA----------------
    500-599 600-699 700-799
    M 23% 52% 25%
    V 34% 46% 20%
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    Note: The USNA had the highest SAT appointee scores in 2005.

    I am also interviewing the parents of Appointment winners from my area to build a local profile of success. Since this profile will consist entirely of people who received appointments right out of high school it should prove particularly relevant to this forum. Based on my early interviews, the profile of sucessful candidates in my area is of a higher quality than I had guessed previously.

    -FoF
     
  2. peskemom

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    So have you checked to see how these stats compare to say, other Ivy League admissions like Yale, Harvard, Stanford? That would be most interesting.
     
  3. Whistle Pig

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    Close but not really. :rolleyes: Ivies are significantly higher in virtually all stat categories ... means, mode, median. Much higher in verbal/reading/writing. And Ivies all require 2 or more SAT II exams. The one area where there appears to be common ground is among the diversity students, excluding women. Females are no longer minorities in the Ivies. Even at Dartmouth.:shake:

    But acads kick butt in pushups, the mile run, and military service to the nation.:thumb:

    The Princeton Review tends to group service acads with Ivies, simply because of apparent selectivity, i.e. the number enrolled vs. the number of applicants. But they seem to be essentially different pools of applicants, with some minor overlap.
     
  4. Whistle Pig

    Whistle Pig Banned

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    f of f ... can you expand on your final frase? How have you been surprised?
     
  5. USNA69

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    Peskemom, In your comparison to Ivies, you might find this interesting. This data is a couple of years old but it is typical; actually I think it is for the upcoming first class at USNA. Of the 70 candidates who were accepted at both any Ivy League school and USNA, 58 came to USNA. Of the 180 that were accepted at both one of the 10 top engineering schools and USNA, 161 came to USNA. Only at MIT and Stanford did more chose to go there than USNA. Now for the real forum teaser: Of the 434 who were accepted at two or more service academies, 304 chose USNA. Since, in addition to the obvious applicants versus offers, the ratio of acceptances to total offers is one of the factors in rating admission difficulty, a solid argument can be made that USNA annually is one of the top two or three most difficult schools in the country in which to be admitted.
     
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  6. Whistle Pig

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    USNA69 ... you've illustrated well the point and taken it a step further.

    Virtually no statistically significant overlap of students. And it's not so surprising that USNA gets most of the dual applicants. Hard to imagine students going thru the process and then declining to attend if admitted.

    Thanks for insightful information.
     
  7. FatherOfFive

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    Here you go.

    Whistle Pig, has it essentially right. The USNA has a similar acceptance rate (applications vs admits) as the Ivy League does. The academy likes to brag from time to time that it is 'more selective than Harvard' which some years is true. However judging from SAT scores alone, the IVY league and some other good schools have much better SAT scores.

    Harvard and Yale do not report SAT stats for students admitted.

    M.I.T
    500-599, 600-699, 700-799
    M 1% 11% 88%
    V 5% 31% 64%

    Univ of Chicago
    500-599, 600-699, 700-799
    M 7% 34% 59%
    V 7% 27% 66%

    Dartmouth
    500-599, 600-699, 700-799
    M 6% 24% 70%
    V 7% 28% 65%

    Duke
    500-599, 600-699, 700-799
    M 5% 27% 68%
    V 9% 35% 56%

    Note: Duke is included because it has a competitve sports program (both men and womens) and it's student body is 50% larger at 6000 students.
     
  8. peskemom

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    Thanks USNA69 and FofF ( by the way, I'm a MofF) for answering some of my questions.

    The sad part to me is - and this is verified by a new book out called : AWOL by Franky Schaeffer - It was the Ivy Leaguers who used to lead the way in officer training for our military. Imagine knowing Harvard once had the first ROTC program in the country and proudly sent its graduates to military/defend their country/war. .....Can hardly imagine it now, can we?

    Thank God for one young lady we know who turned down an Appointment to go MCROTC at Harvard. Maybe she can set the bar and challenge more to join her!! Go boston_usmc!!!!
     
  9. Whistle Pig

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    Not to beat a dying pony, but that thoroughbred is for sure running in quick sand. Good luck and God bless, girl. Here's that the Brahman brain surgeons don't neuter her.
     
  10. Zaphod

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    Wow. :eek:

    One question, though. How exactly does acceptances-to-offers relate to selectivity? Is it because the offers are so "rare" that when offered one, they jump on it, or is it something else?
     
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  11. USNA69

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    I've never thought through the process thoroughly. The first time I heard it, I thought USNA had just found a manipulatable ratio that would make them look good. But look at it this way. Two schools each receive 10,000 applications. One sends out 5000 offers and one sends out 1000 offers. They each have 1000 accept the offer. Which is the most selective school. With a variation of this example in mind, I now feel that it is a viable input to the selectivity of a school.
     
  12. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    My guess, and it's only that, is that candidates don't apply to a service academy unless they're serious about attending. It's a lot more work than applying to a civilian school. At the same time, these candidates are keeping options open & applying to other top schools -- Ivies and engineering. Thus, if an appointment comes through, they're probably going to take it -- or they wouldn't have gone thru the hassle of applying in the first place.

    As to why USNA does so well vs the other SAs -- hard to say. I think USNA and USAFA may be more appealing to young people b/c of the opportunity to fly jets. The locations (Annapolis, CO Springs) may be more palatable than WP. USNA offers many different viable warfare options on graduation. Candidates may want to "go to sea," to sail, etc. Academically, some consider USNA and USMA slightly stronger than USAFA.

    Also, it may be a bit cyclical. USNA did real well in the Officer and Gentleman and TopGun days. Things like that can have an influence. Not sure Annapolis (the movie) had the same effect -- thankfully.
     
  13. Sandiegodude1607

    Sandiegodude1607 USNA Midshipman

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    What’s interesting though is that there are ALOT of mids who were accepted to Ivy or Ivy equivalents. I was accepted to an Ivy and other Ivy equivalents but turned them down for Navy. I know quite a few fellow mids who also applied and were accepted to those schools.

    Anyways, GO NAVY BEAT TULSA. Winning=more liberty, more liberty=much much happier plebes, happier plebes=happier brigade.
     
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