2015 Rated slots

Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by aglages, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. aglages

    aglages Parent

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    Supposedly there will be 455 rated slots for 875 (projected) graduating cadets in the class of 2015. This was announced at the AFSC brief this evening. Of course.....these things are always subject to change between now and commissioning. :cool:
     
  2. AVT

    AVT USAFA 2015

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    Additionally, your academic major now is taken into consideration.
    The #2 ranked guy in 2014 got his 2nd pick.
    The #4 ranked guy got his 3rd choice.

    I'll see if I can link to the table which shows AFSCs vs Majors when it's released to me.
     
  3. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    The UPT bases (Laughlin for sure) are probably happy with that as they are fighting tooth and nail to get all the 2013 USAFA grads + new OTS and ROTC arrivals + internationals/reserve/guard into the pipeline before 2014 shows up. There are still a few dozen USAFA 2013 grads waiting to start at Laughlin. Wouldn't be surprised if they are just getting the last of them by July/August.

    Could you elaborate? That's interesting. (USAFA 2010's #1 grad was a Foreign Area Studies major and #2 grad was a Management major).
     
  4. zachserna7

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    Yes please elaborate more. The most common phrase I've heard is you don't have to pick a major that deals with what you want to do in the AF (aka Aerospace Engineering and Flying)

    So by your statistics this means that it does.

    What is right?!
     
  5. AVT

    AVT USAFA 2015

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    There is a chart which lists AFSCs on one axis and academic majors on the other which was briefed to us by the Dean and personnel office.
    Each academic major had a blank, a M, or a D for each AFSC.

    Blank = Not qualified (Weather and Engineers require special degrees)
    M = Minimally qualified
    D = Desired / Highly qualified

    A cadet could not get an AFSC where he or she had a blank from their major.
    We were told that the #2 and #4 cadet had chosen AFSCs which were categorized as minimally qualified (M) as their first choice.
    They got their second and third choices because that AFSC was listed as desired (D) with regards to their major and trumped their first choice.

    Edit: It is difficult to predict which major is desired for which AFSC without looking at the chart. (not released yet)
    Aero, Astro, and History are all desired for Intel, but Biology is minimally qualified. All 4 of these majors are minimally qualified for Airfield Ops.

    Majors only play a role in Non-Rated AFSCs. They do not apply for Rated positions.
     
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  6. Pima

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    That makes more sense now. AVT, I think you were giving some posters minor strokes by adding in how the non-rated AFSC board works on a rated thread.
     
  7. aglages

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    Certainly was true for me.:eek:
     
  8. Buff-IP

    Buff-IP USAFA '88 Pilot

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    There may be 875 grads but there have only been about 500 pilot qualified grads per class in the last decade or so....
     
  9. aglages

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    Doesn't that 500 qualified grads per class just represent those that have attempted to become pilot qualified because they were considering a rated AFSC? As the class sizes become smaller I would imagine that we will see a corresponding decrease in the number of cadets attempting to become pilot qualified. Not sure whether the AF will also need fewer pilots per USAFA class or not.
     
  10. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Most people are or are not Pilot Qualified. The exceptions would be people with waivers or who get PRK.
     
  11. aglages

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    The AF does not require those that want rated slots to take medical/physical tests that the rest of the cadets (those not seeking a rated slot) are not required to take? Are you considered Pilot Qualified before these tests are administered during the 2nd degree year?
     
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    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Well, my info is a few years old. When I did it, everyone got a physical done during their 2 deg year that determined whether they would be PQ or not. If you were not, waivers may have been granted. Those who knew they were not PQ and could get PRK usually knew that by the end of 3 deg year, IIRC.
     
  13. aggie83

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    With that amount of rated pilot spots with the smaller class size, that is a higher percentage of pilot spots per graduating class than in the past few years.
     
  14. aglages

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    Thanks. I guess that I "assumed" that because AFROTC only sends the cadets interested in a rated slot to Wright-Pat for a pilot physical that it would be the same (minus Wright-Pat) for USAFA cadets. I'll ask my son whether everyone is taking a physical during their 2 degree year and whether he knows whether it's the same physical for all the cadets.
     
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    My 3 deg already knows he's PQ. Not sure if they test every year or moved it up on them. Still undecided on UPT but at least he could
     
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    Interesting. My 2nd degree has a host of tests that he needs to schedule between now and the end of March in order to be Pilot Qualified. He did not need any waivers for DODMERB, had perfect vision, and hasn't suffered any injuries. I wonder why he needs these tests now if everyone is already PQ'd?
     
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    There is a designation made by DoDMERB before you even report to I-Day. I believe most individuals are "Pilot Qualified" by DoDMERB but on every official document it notes that this does NOT guarantee that you will truly be pilot qualified. The battery of tests still occurs junior year, I believe after commitment.
     
  18. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    Back in my day (~2006), the medical designations given to people entering were PPQ, PNQ, and NQ - POTENTIALLY pilot qualified and POTENTIALLY navigator qualified and not qualified.

    I don't know if they dropped the potentially nowadays, but the understanding going in was that it was a potential designation. Part of it was because they wanted a certain quota of PPQs in every class.
     
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    My son said that during the UPT brief earlier this week that they were told that any of the designations (from DODMERB) should be disregarded. Until the 2nd degrees pass these medical/physical tests that are scheduled during the next couple of months....they are NOT pilot qualified.
     
  20. Buff-IP

    Buff-IP USAFA '88 Pilot

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    I don't know how much of the current procedures are 'ancestor worship' but a kid's medical can change between application, 2deg year and grad.

    In the ancient times there was a requirement that 75% of the incoming class had to be PQ on the DODMERB...few waivers in those days.

    It is useful for a cadet to know early that he has lost his PQ and had better prepare for his career.

    From our initial 75% quite a few lost their PQs.

    Now the incoming class requirement is gone, but cadets still lose their PQ by graduation.

    Here is the reality. Training a pilot costs a ton of money (something like half a million just in fuel alone). You don't want to blow that money on someone who loses their PQ and never gives a return on investment. Now once they are a pilot, now you need to protect that investment...So many waivers and 'return to fly' boards are accomplished.

    But realize that the medical community is the arch nemesis of the flying community, and you are one minor medical procedure away from permanent grounding.
     

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