2017 Appointee Stats for future applicants

icarus said:
My GF has better numbers than yours.
Look up the 500 club at camp USAFA.
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Feel better:thumbdown: The OP says that 3 of the 6 scores are bad, so you slam him, must be nice to be so perfect or should I say for your GF to be so perfect.
 
It's not a slam. It's reality. Besides, in the military-you can't be onion skinned. If your easily affected by what someone writes on a forum-what they yell at you when you can't hack it pales in comparison to this. How can you boast about your stats if you can't even throw a BB over 50ft?
At an altitude of over 7,000 feet, they expect you to run 1.5 miles under 10 minutes. If your time is barely under 8 minutes now how does that translate when you show up on I-day and be expected to do run the next day?
 
icarus said:
It's not a slam. It's reality. Besides, in the military-you can't be onion skinned if your easily affected by what someone writes on a forum.
How can you boast about your stats if you can't even throw a BB over 50ft?
At an altitude of over 7,000 feet, they expect you to run 1.5 miles under 10 minutes. If your time is barely under 8 minutes now how does that translate when you show up on I-day and be expected to do run the next day?
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First off someone asked the op about his or her CFA scores and the op was nice enough to respond, they did not boast as you say or they would not have put bad next to some of the numbers. Second is was a slam to say your GF did better!
 
Political Correctness and excusing being thinned skinned is destroying our society. Unless I say something designed to be mean spirited and intended to hurt a person, I don't worry what others think. if I say something that someone finds offensive, I find that to be their problem. Not mine. But hey; that's me. I respect an individual because they earned and deserve that respect. As well as I respect their rights. I don't respect someone because society says I'm suppose to.
 
Nathan13 said:
I couldn't agree more with Iceman. Your numbers mean nothing. I won't tell you what mine are, but they are much better than yours and I have yet to hear from the USAFA. I know I was not the Principal Appointment for our district and that is all I know.
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To Nathan13: I would take a step back and reevaluate what you are saying on this thread. To say that your stats are 'much better' is you hinting that you deserve an appointment more than the OP. Obviously, the AFA saw something in him to appoint him, and it is not fair to let out your emotions on him for simply trying to help others- which he said was his intention in the first place. With an attitude like this, you WILL NOT get far at an academy; because there, you are all equal. It isn't about how well you did on the PT test, whether you came from a prep school or not, etc. The strengths you have should be used in order to help fellow classmates; not degrade them because they didn't do as well as you in a particular area. Remember that your fate is still in the academy's hands; don't let bitterness take you over!

To iceman: To say that the OP's stats are not impressive are some strong words when you have yet to compete for an appointment. The OP was selected as an appointee by the US Air Force Academy- that's a BIG deal! Maybe in your opinion his GPA wasn't high enough, or that he didn't have enough leadership involvement, but it wasn't your decision to make. It was USAFA's. Don't forget you are insulting the academy on their choice as well when you disparage the OP.

I will let you both know, straight up, that my attitude and character were the critical aspects of my application that really got me this awesome scholarship opportunity, and my appointment as well. Attitude is everything and character is key. And that's about having a good outlook at all times, developing as a person, and taking the crap (for lack of a better word) that the universe throws at you from time to time. Remember that the world doesn't owe you anything (including an appointment). All you can do is your absolute best, and put yourself out there. And DON'T give up- if it is what you really want. You are unstoppable when you don't let the adversity get to you. But when you let the bitterness and arrogance take over, I can promise that you will get no where- by my own experience. I've had this dream since early high school. I know the let down when you don't get into summer seminar, getting your hopes up again for an appointment and the waiting game (oh my, the waiting game!!), and having those hopes crushed; but deciding that despite of it all, I hadn't FAILED. I was simply given another year to TRY. That was always my philosophy- even before I was awarded the scholarship. And on another note... it has been one heck of a year! In a GOOD way. :thumb:

Now, was it a bit silly for the OP to post this thread? Maybe so- but I'm going to stick with my future battle buddy because hey, he's just trying to help YOU out! He only had good intentions. Give him a break.
 
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The responses here truly astonish me. Did so many of you forget to put yourself in the OP's shoes? I imagine him thinking something along the lines of, "Wow, I can't believe I got into the Academy. I'm very excited! I can't believe this, especially because I felt I had a lack of guidance towards this objective. I can remember when I was looking online, but I couldn't find much to compare myself too! Now I could at least give back to the community and help guide future applicants and forum lurkers by at least giving them something to compare themselves too!"

Now maybe that was not his thought process at all, but I can promise you it wasn't anything intentionally harmful to others. He wanted to help. His intentions were taken the wrong way. The second post of this thread should have been the end of it.

I think this thread has gone far past its original intentions. While normally its nice to see debate and creativity, that all ends when people get caught in the crossfire. The OP had good intentions; One post concerning his poor method to express those intentions should have been enough, two would have been excessive, but three pages is ridiculous.

I think it is the appropriate time to ask a mod to close this thread.
 
haleym said:
I will let you both know, straight up, that my attitude and character were the critical aspects of my application that really got me this awesome scholarship opportunity, and my appointment as well. Attitude is everything and character is key. And that's about having a good outlook at all times, developing as a person, and taking the crap (for lack of a better word) that the universe throws at you from time to time. Remember that the world doesn't owe you anything (including an appointment). All you can do is your absolute best, and put yourself out there. And DON'T give up- if it is what you really want. You are unstoppable when you don't let the adversity get to you. But when you let the bitterness and arrogance take over, I can promise that you will get no where- by my own experience. I've had this dream since early high school. I know the let down when you don't get into summer seminar, getting your hopes up again for an appointment and the waiting game (oh my, the waiting game!!), and having those hopes crushed; but deciding that despite of it all, I hadn't FAILED. I was simply given another year to TRY. That was always my philosophy- even before I was awarded the scholarship. And on another note... it has been one heck of a year! In a GOOD way. :thumb:
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And that, my friends, is the post of a future officer of character. +1 HaleyM
 
Stelmack. Is that what you see? That's interesting.

No one initially dogged the original poster. The comments were quite simply: "Your stats don't mean anything to anyone else applying, because your competition and other people's competition is totally different".

I think this is where too many people are losing it and getting "Sensitive". I know people first hand who put the OP's scores to shame, and they DIDN'T get an appointment. I know people first hand who had a 4.0GPA and a 34+ACT who DIDN'T receive an appointment. I've seen first hand the 3.7gpa, 28ACT who DID receive an appointment.

But if someone thinks that seeing someone else's scores are going to help you somehow; then have at it. Everyone here knows that the original poster was not being arrogant and definitely meant well. Simply pointing out the FACT that unless you are this individual's next door neighbor, go to the same school, took exactly the same classes and EC/Sports, and will be applying to the same MOC..... There is a very slim chance that their scores can be used in any way to judge your chances of acceptance.
 
haleym said:
To Nathan13: I would take a step back and reevaluate what you are saying on this thread. To say that your stats are 'much better' is you hinting that you deserve an appointment more than the OP. Obviously, the AFA saw something in him to appoint him, and it is not fair to let out your emotions on him for simply trying to help others- which he said was his intention in the first place. With an attitude like this, you WILL NOT get far at an academy; because there, you are all equal. It isn't about how well you did on the PT test, whether you came from a prep school or not, etc. The strengths you have should be used in order to help fellow classmates; not degrade them because they didn't do as well as you in a particular area. Remember that your fate is still in the academy's hands; don't let bitterness take you over!

To iceman: To say that the OP's stats are not impressive are some strong words when you have yet to compete for an appointment. The OP was selected as an appointee by the US Air Force Academy- that's a BIG deal! Maybe in your opinion his GPA wasn't high enough, or that he didn't have enough leadership involvement, but it wasn't your decision to make. It was USAFA's. Don't forget you are insulting the academy on their choice as well when you disparage the OP.

I will let you both know, straight up, that my attitude and character were the critical aspects of my application that really got me this awesome scholarship opportunity, and my appointment as well. Attitude is everything and character is key. And that's about having a good outlook at all times, developing as a person, and taking the crap (for lack of a better word) that the universe throws at you from time to time. Remember that the world doesn't owe you anything (including an appointment). All you can do is your absolute best, and put yourself out there. And DON'T give up- if it is what you really want. You are unstoppable when you don't let the adversity get to you. But when you let the bitterness and arrogance take over, I can promise that you will get no where- by my own experience. I've had this dream since early high school. I know the let down when you don't get into summer seminar, getting your hopes up again for an appointment and the waiting game (oh my, the waiting game!!), and having those hopes crushed; but deciding that despite of it all, I hadn't FAILED. I was simply given another year to TRY. That was always my philosophy- even before I was awarded the scholarship. And on another note... it has been one heck of a year! In a GOOD way. :thumb:

Now, was it a bit silly for the OP to post this thread? Maybe so- but I'm going to stick with my future battle buddy because hey, he's just trying to help YOU out! He only had good intentions. Give him a break.
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+1:thumb:
 
Really???

"No one initially dogged the original poster." Really??? The first response to the OP called him "presumptuous," "conceited," and flatly told him that his stats "aren't that impressive."

I'd hate to see if the OP had been "dogged." The poor guy was just trying to help out and this was the initial response he gets. I guess there is truth in the adage, "no good deed goes unpunished."
 
I have never posted anything based on my emotions but this thread and the responses to the initial post got to me.

OP could have just said - Look, I got into the USAFA because I DESERVED IT! Instead, he was just jumped on by a) someone that's not even from class 2017 b)someone who thinks his GF did better (hopefully she got her appointment too and congrats if she did) and c) someone who says he's got better scores but refuses to post it.

Come on, the OP was just trying to make more information available to future applicants. It's hard enough for people to find the right information in here; put downs and dogging posters surely doesn't help anyone and discourages people from posting stuff on here because they are afraid they would get skinned alive.

Remember, karma's a ***** and what goes around comes around. Iceman, hopefully when you apply next year you will get your appointment - OP already has his. And to the two other posters, condescending attitudes like that will get you quickly noticed by the cadre and has no place here.
 
If the OP's good intentions are legitimate, wheres the flood of appointees posting their stats? With only over a hundred appointees posting on this forum versus the 1200+ that is to be granted, I felt that OP's ostentatious display of his stats and call for others to post their stats is grandstanding. My response was purely an opinion. you may not agree and we can agree to disagree. You haven't a clue who I am. I may be at the academy already waiting for you on I-day. It's so easy to figure who or where your from especially if you disclose your state and district. This forum provides balanced feedback, not just what you agree with. You can say whatever you want. Last time I checked, it's still one of the freedoms we enjoy.
 
JJBsDad said:
"No one initially dogged the original poster." Really??? The first response to the OP called him "presumptuous," "conceited," and flatly told him that his stats "aren't that impressive."

I'd hate to see if the OP had been "dogged." The poor guy was just trying to help out and this was the initial response he gets. I guess there is truth in the adage, "no good deed goes unpunished."
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Sorry; but I didn't read his post as that at all. Iceman simply stated that the original posts "Comes out" as presumptuous or conceited. Not that the individual WAS either. Iceman continued on with basically saying the OP's stats were individual. Which they are.

Sometimes people like to post their stats for comparison. Many are applicants trying to figure out where they stand. I and others have said it many times, whether you have an appointment or not, what YOUR STATS ARE, are irrelevant for others. Your competition for a nomination and hopefully an appointment is not the same competition as other people.

Iceman was correct that there WILL be some with BETTER stats who won't get an appointment. And there WILL be some with lower stats who do get an appointment. No one is trying to be mean or cut anyone down. But the truth is the truth.
 
I posted this so that it could possibly be of some help or assurance. I didn't intend to seem conceited nor did I want this post to be the cause of an argument. I'm definitely sure that my stats aren't good compared to probably vast majority of the candidates. I just wanted to be somewhat informative for those applying in the future. I sincerely apologize for the disruption on the forum and hope that no one's feelings were hurt or anything like that. Once again, I'm sorry.
 
iceman2018 said:
If the OP's good intentions are legitimate, wheres the flood of appointees posting their stats? With only over a hundred appointees posting on this forum versus the 1200+ that is to be granted, I felt that OP's ostentatious display of his stats and call for others to post their stats is grandstanding. My response was purely an opinion. you may not agree and we can agree to disagree. You haven't a clue who I am. I may be at the academy already waiting for you on I-day. It's so easy to figure who or where your from especially if you disclose your state and district. This forum provides balanced feedback, not just what you agree with. You can say whatever you want. Last time I checked, it's still one of the freedoms we enjoy.
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Hey, I never said you couldn't. I conceited that his post may have have been silly. I was simply sharing my stance. And remember, just because I have an opinion on the matter doesn't mean I don't get to express it as well. And I highly doubt that you are at the academy; because someone there wouldn't have an attitude like this. My opinion was shared to help you, and you ignore it. Feel free to absorb or ignore what you want. That's to your own disadvantage if you brush it off. Remember that people don't always have bad intentions. I certainly don't.
Why didn't any one else post? Must be a mystery. Could be because there was an unnecessary crap storm (again, lack of better words) when HE did; and his stats were excellent. If you would like to see my HS stats, here they are. I think his goal was for future candidates to get an idea of all of the appointees to see where they all come from; as opposed to just himself.

GPA: 3.94
ACT: 29
Class Rank: 60/533
Tennis: captain JR and SR year.
-Marching Band: Section Ldr. JR year, drum major SR year.
-Jazz Band: top band from sophomore yr and on.
-Wind Ensemble (highest concert band) last two yrs of HS.
-Other band involvement: solo & ensemble, honors band, pit orchestra, & pep band.
-Took 5 APs over the course of my last two years, and advanced courses freshman and sophomore yr.
-NHS JR and SR year.
-Metro High School Police Academy graduate; named Top Recruit & awarded a scholarship.
-Church involvement over all four yrs of HS.
-Awarded the Principal's Award upon graduation for achievement, attitude, and character.

Just attempting to get the thread back on track to what its original intent was...
Thank you everyone who posted kindly on my behalf, as well.
 
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