Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by CAnderson197, May 6, 2007.
21 months later, I've got my brother back. .
Welcome home Frankie!
Adding a welcome home for your bro as well. AND a HUGE thanks for my new awesome signature! Thanks CA!
Thank your brother for us for his service to our country! It's great that he's home and well.
Question. Was your bro a Submariner in a previous enlistment? Couldn't help but notice the Silver Dolphins under his fruit salad.
Hooah! Thank the big man for all of us
For some reason during his pursuit of his MOS 18E, he went to sub school. Very sharp eyes SubSquid.
Here's a quick thumbnail sketch about how one earns (SS) qualification.
1. All volunteer. Must request Submarine service and have an NEC that is needed on Subs.
2. Must pass a battery of tests that measure appitude and intelegence necessary to be a Submariner
3. Spend a lot of time in front of a Psyciatrist to find out if your nuts enough to live under water, but stable enough not to be nuts.
4. Go to Club Groton and sleepwalk through basic SubSchool. Learn how to go Ho Ho Ho in a 40 foot grain silo, plug leaks in a wet tank and put out Torpex fires.
If you still think you want live the life:
1. You are assigned to a division on a real smoke boat. You are a NUB.
2. You spend a minimum of six months under way at which time you will:
a. Begin by qualifing on a watch station in you speciality
b. Begin an intensive ship's qualification program that will make you capable of doing a lot of jobs, not within your sepciality.
(I was a Nuc. I can still load and fire a torpedo including Mark 48's. I can stand helms and planes and was later qualed on dive as a watch stander. I qualified in Sonar and was at least capable of receiving a "Flash" in radio. I could line up and fire the nuclear nastys in the middle of the ship. I could maintain 02 generators and C02 scrubbers. All of this and qualify up to my maximum watch as EOOW running and maintaining a billion dollar S5W/S3G core 3 nuclear power plant)
3. After your ship's qual card is complete, you stand an oral and written exam administered by the COB (Chief of the Boat) and the CO/XO. The oral is a pass/fail and if you don't know the gouge, you don't become a Submariner.
I'm sorry to say that attending SubSchool doesn't earn you a pair of dolphins.
Submariners are a very closed society and very protective of our badge of excellence. I have friends who earned the "Anheiser Bush" pin and would do great harm to anyone that displayed that badge and did not earn it. Submariners are slightly more laid back (see psyciatrist above) but are no less protective of our badge of honor. Please ask your brother to remove those dolphins if, indeed, he is not Submarine Qualified.
Yeah I've got to admit making such an unsubstantiated assumption is very unbecoming of you. I would not be suprised if the Army does send a few of their Special Forces Communications NCO's to SS.
Frankie enlisted when he was 18 years old, and after completion of Basic was REQUESTED to be sent to sub school because my late-father (also an 18E) told him that it would look damn good for him when he was finally old enough to attend SFQC, he already had a basis in communication, especially tricky communications such as Sub Comms. So, with that being said I would greatly appreciate it, subsquid if the next time you feel you are going to attempt to remove someone's hard earned awards, you do it in person. He is home for a while, if you'd like you are MORE than welcome to attend a family BBQ and tell him for yourself that he didn't earn those dolphins, but bought them surplus. While you're at it, why don't you tell my grandfather he didn't earn his airborne tabs or better yet! why don't you tell my uncle that he didn't earn his silver star in 'nam! We would love for you to attend!
My point is Sub, being a vet yourself you should understand that every soldier has his/her own story. Everyone has their own struggles and trials. With that being said, how would you feel if someone questioned the awards you wear on your chest? No matter the size of the award, it was still earned...not given and should never be called into question by ANYONE.
Read my post again, this time for content and curb your attitude. Dolphins are not earned at SubSchool. I will never deny any man his due for awards that are earned as proscribed. Thank your Uncle, Grand Father for their service to our country and my thanks to you for your late father's service.
The point that SubSquid was making, and rightfully so, is that attending sub school is only a very miniscule part of the requirements for earning the right to wear the dolphins and call oneself a submariner. Nuclear Power School and Nuclear Prototype School, the most demanding academic coursework in the military, followed by on-board qualification of every system on the boat, accomplished during non-working hours, often requiring upwards of a year of hard work is the required route. To state that someone earned the right to wear dolphins by merely attending a one month sub school in Groton, Conn. demeans the efforts of every submariner who proudly wears his hard-earned dolphins.
The following is a synoposis, written by a submariner, on the requirements to qualify in submarines and subsequently be authorized to wear dolphins. There ARE NO shortcuts:
And please, there is no need to challenge anyone to a dolphin removing bbq. Hopefully you are incorrect as to the manner in which your brother earned the right to wear the dolphins.
Merely stating he attended sub school was the wrong context I should have used, correct. He earned the right to be a comms tech on subs, by doing multiple things. The school included. Subsquid, It appears we're getting off on the wrong foot and that is something I do not want to see. My appologies for understating the amount of work required to be a submariner, and thank you for your words about my family. I hope there will be no hard feelings between us.
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