25 universities with the worst professors

Jcleppe said:
Hold on, Wait....there are lists that rate universities?

I just looked up mine, now I'm depressed, guess I should ask for a pay cut.

All joking aside, I think there should be a site called "Rate my Students" Now that would be fun to read.
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There is only one list I cared about when I was in college. That's when SUNY Potsdam made Playboy magazines Top 10 List of Small Colleges for Per Capita Alcohol Consumption. Fortunately I was already enrolled and doing my part. Let's see, that was over 4 decades ago! OMG! :eek:
 
kinnem said:
There is only one list I cared about when I was in college. That's when SUNY Potsdam made Playboy magazines Top 10 List of Small Colleges for Per Capita Alcohol Consumption. Fortunately I was already enrolled and doing my part. Let's see, that was over 4 decades ago! OMG! :eek:
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Kinnem, I heard you were pledge chairman at Tappa Kegga Bru.
 
Jcleppe LMAO

That would indeed be an interesting list!

iceman,

If the name of the college is obscure that should really be your first BIG CLUE!

Seriously, for my kids our email and mailbox was filled starting their fall jr yr of HS. Some notable, some obscure. The obscure ones usually said the following:

We are waiving the admission fee and application, based on your SAT/ACT just send your transcript and you will be accepted.

Our response:
:eek: and filed in the circular filing cabinet (in our house it is actually oblong...garbage can).

I get your position, and trying to defend it, but I am assuming you are a HS kid. The posters responding our older and more experienced. They have walked in your shoes already.

Most of us have had a lesson today, due to curiosity we looked up our own colleges that we graduated from eons ago. I have yet to see one that did not go to an SA say, YIPPEE SKIPPEE my college is number 1 in the nation. Most of us looking at rankings are saying we overpaid! However, we have all had successful careers due to our drive, not the profs.

A college degree does not make you successful. Look at some very successful people. Bill Gates, and Stephen Spielberg come to mind. They left college, and I doubt anyone would say the lack of a college degree held them back. I.E. Their drive was the driving force regarding their success not a sheet of sheepskin with their name on it.. (College diplomas use to be made out of sheepskin)

I did see, if I am correct, you are going to USCGA this summer. If that is correct, do you now regret your decision? If so, you still have time to back out and not report. If not, than again, you have to say that these lists mean squat to you. As you said earlier, you will have to have that prof. There is no option, yet, you are going right?

Just trying to figure out your position regarding defending this issue when you are going to one that is on the worst list.

kinnem, Bullet will tell you the reason he went to his college was because back in the 80's the drinking age was raised from 18 to 21. MD allowed 18 yrs old to buy beer and wine, no hard liquor. Other states grandfathered it to 21 from all alcohol. Thus,he was not eligible to drink in any other state he was applying to for colleges!:shake:

Personally, I think CU Boulder probably does get alot of applicants for being a number 1 school. Number 1 party school!

Looking at you, Bullet and CU, let's be real, most kids don't care about profs and classes M-F. They care about the weekend!
 
There is only one list I cared about when I was in college. That's when SUNY Potsdam made Playboy magazines Top 10 List of Small Colleges for Per Capita Alcohol Consumption. Fortunately I was already enrolled and doing my part.

Kinnem: the only reason Potsdam State made the list was because guys like me would crash all your parties. CCT '78
 
Pima said:
Jcleppe LMAO

That would indeed be an interesting list!

iceman,

If the name of the college is obscure that should really be your first BIG CLUE!

Seriously, for my kids our email and mailbox was filled starting their fall jr yr of HS. Some notable, some obscure. The obscure ones usually said the following:

We are waiving the admission fee and application, based on your SAT/ACT just send your transcript and you will be accepted.

Our response:
:eek: and filed in the circular filing cabinet (in our house it is actually oblong...garbage can).

I get your position, and trying to defend it, but I am assuming you are a HS kid. The posters responding our older and more experienced. They have walked in your shoes already.

Most of us have had a lesson today, due to curiosity we looked up our own colleges that we graduated from eons ago. I have yet to see one that did not go to an SA say, YIPPEE SKIPPEE my college is number 1 in the nation. Most of us looking at rankings are saying we overpaid! However, we have all had successful careers due to our drive, not the profs.

A college degree does not make you successful. Look at some very successful people. Bill Gates, and Stephen Spielberg come to mind. They left college, and I doubt anyone would say the lack of a college degree held them back. I.E. Their drive was the driving force regarding their success not a sheet of sheepskin with their name on it.. (College diplomas use to be made out of sheepskin)

I did see, if I am correct, you are going to USCGA this summer. If that is correct, do you now regret your decision? If so, you still have time to back out and not report. If not, than again, you have to say that these lists mean squat to you. As you said earlier, you will have to have that prof. There is no option, yet, you are going right?

Just trying to figure out your position regarding defending this issue when you are going to one that is on the worst list.
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It's just funny that a knee-jerk response from a graduate is natural but it doesn't deter the suggestion of what such list makes.
There are bad and excellent teachers. One list does not reflect the bigger picture of what the ultimate goal is. Everyone chooses their affiliation and shouldn't allow a silly list to erode their self esteem.
 
iceman,

Quick question. Did you change your position?

Weren't your previous posts implying/inferring that the list matters?

~~~Why didn't this article come out before I turned my acceptance in?:unhappy: I am assuming you are going to the USCGA this summer....you know one of the worst on the list, yet you are going. Am I wrong? Did you not state that on the USCGA thread, exactly as I posted?.

~~~The way I look at it, rateMyProfessor.com allows a student to provide feedback(positive or negative) without fear of repercussions from the rated professor

Did you not post this?

~~~If the name of the college is obscured and you were supplied with the available data and asked to extract a quantifiable conclusion, I highly doubt that you would be able to question the result.

Were not these your words only a few hrs ago?

Did you not say this?
Unlike civilian colleges where you can steer away from tenured professors that have unflattering feedback, that is not the case at a Military Academy. You may not put much weight in rankings such as these but when deciding where to eat or sleep, Zagat or Yelp's ratings may warn you of places to avoid or are sought after.

Your last post to me is in direct conflict with your earlier posts. I am trying to grasp where you stand now. It appears you are saying the list doesn't matter. Could it be, you are going to CGA?

FWIW, I think it is an amazing institution and would be proud. I place it on the level of any and all Ivies, and above top tier colleges like Notre Dame, UIC, UMich, etc. I don't think that list is right. However, I am not one to buy into these stupid lists.

I stand by my position if a school is obscure are you really going to apply because it is ranked the best or worst? If you live by the lists, better get copies of USNWR, Fortune and Money because they all have different parameters.


I get it, I respect it, your position has changed after reading posts from others. This is why the site exists. I am someone that probably says at least once a month hit me 1000 times with a wet LoMein noodle, or I am eating crow.

Jcleppe, I was also left with a Huh regarding the graduate comment. I am not following that statement, but I am Polish, so it may have been over my cranium.
 
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelnoer/2012/08/01/americas-top-colleges-2/

"The rankings, which are compiled exclusively for Forbes by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for College Affordability and Productivity, focus on the things that matter the most to students: quality of teaching, great career prospects, high graduation rates and low-levels of debt. They do not attempt to assess a school’s reputation, nor are they a measure of academic selectivity and we pointedly ignore any metrics that would encourage schools to engage in wasteful spending."

This explains the questionable order of some schools on this list. The low levels of college dept is a particularly interesting criterion considering tuition per year at all of the "top 50" schools, save the Academies, are in the $60,000-$50,000 range. Interestingly enough, the farther down the list you go, the cheaper the schools are.
 
iceman2018 said:
Far from it, you can deny and discredit the list because where you matriculated was included in the list-it's natural for you to be offended. As you wake up and tell yourself how swell it must be to have a diploma from a topnotch institution and give yourself a pep talk, at the end of the day it's all a matter of perspective. Once you get out in the real world, no one really cares. You either perform or become irrelevant.
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I think you missed the point of the graduates and actual cadets/midshipmen, not to mention people who have actually been in the real world....

these lists don't mean anything to them. As an applicant the 2001 list meant something to me. A year letter though, I couldn't have cared less.

The real cadets/midshipmen, and the actual alumni have nothing to prove. They certainly don't need U.S. News or Forbes to prove it for them.

They've "been there, done that."

As far as the "pep talks go," don't remember need them. The diploma's hang on the wall and the pay check every two weeks does the talking. But while degrees aren't relevant to all, they do make a difference, and they do matter, at times, to someone in the real world you'll likely have to deal with... HR. True, the longer you're in the real world the more experience plays a role, but at least early on, degrees can help.
 
Fair enough. Sounds good.
Tried to respond in general terms and try not to offend any specific poster but statistics are there for a reason. One can either use it to bolster their position or to relegate as useless data that tend to raise eyebrows. What I have alluded to earlier was if the mountain of data were handed to you without disclosing what school it comes from and tasked to arrange in order of prestige, it would seem plausible that your conclusion may not be what you come up with if you knew the respective institution to begin with especially if you're a product of one that's represented unfavorably.
 
Except that the data presented, as clarified by another poster, doesn't represent the "best" schools.


We could line up favorite colors (mine's blue) and list why each color is the best. Then I remove the colors and rank based on reasoning, "this color makes me feel warm inside." But in the end we are no closer to knowing the "best" color.

We could rank them by how they were used in paintings or buildings or everyday use.

So many lists... so little time.
 
http://centerforcollegeaffordability.org/uploads/2012_Methodology.pdf

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

I'm no statistician nor have the time to help you figure out your favorite color but for the data at hand they came up with a compilation that may have a purpose. For those on the bottom to improve or the ones on top to not rest on their laurels and keep doing better. Maybe some of the professors who have been singled out could fix their shortcomings knowing that if they didn't do their job, they are being critiqued and people do pay attention to these lists.
 
Why does everyone continue to be baited into these conversations.
 
Jcleppe said:
Why does everyone continue to be baited into these conversations.
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Pretty obvious.

In Internet slang, a troll (pron.: /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.​

Just the latest in a long long line.
 
Denial

Denial is probably one of the best known defense mechanisms, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit an obvious truth (i.e. "He's in denial."). Denial is an outright refusal to admit or recognize that something has occurred or is currently occurring. Drug addicts or alcoholics often deny that they have a problem, while victims of traumatic events may deny that the event ever occurred.

Denial functions to protect the ego from things that the individual cannot cope with. :sofa:
 
iceman2018 said:
If the name of the college is obscured and you were supplied with the available data and asked to extract a quantifiable conclusion, I highly doubt that you would be able to question the result. A double blind study eliminating any subjective errors might be more convincing than just a highly opinionated statement as truth. Far from it, you can deny and discredit the list because where you matriculated was included in the list-it's natural for you to be offended. As you wake up and tell yourself how swell it must be to have a diploma from a topnotch institution and give yourself a pep talk, at the end of the day it's all a matter of perspective. Once you get out in the real world, no one really cares. You either perform or become irrelevant.
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My school is pretty high on the list and I still give no credence to the "survey." To conduct an actual scientific survey you have to follow very specific rules in order to eliminate bias and ensure fairness.

If the name of the college is obscured and you were supplied with the available data and asked to extract a quantifiable conclusion, I highly doubt that you would be able to question the result.
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I would first ask about the specifics on the survey and once they said that it was not scientific, I wouldn't just question the result, I would throw it out.
 
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