3Q'ed w/ nom but no LoE

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  1. RTMell

    RTMell Member

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    Does anyone know if you can still get accepted with a 3Q letter and a nomination with no LoE.

    I mean yes, I know you "can" technically speaking, but is it really a common thing? Given I'm pretty sure I didn't win the vacancy because I'm from a very competitive district.

    Thanks in advance and I hope this might clarify for some people who were wondering the same thing. Thought it might be better than posting a more personal "chance me" thread.

    By the way to those who were on my remedial medical threat, I ended up getting medically qualified fully; thanks for the help.
     
  2. Soccer Guy

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    I don't know that anyone can for sure know the answer to your question since this is the first year that admissions is using them. In a previous thread, BigNick said something along the lines that receiving an LOE= you are a top candidate; not receiving an LOE= you might not be a top candidate, but you can still receive an appointment.
     
  3. tug_boat

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    Hang in There

    This year is much different than in the past and predicting is a little difficult. You still have a chance, how much? No one on SAF knows.

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  4. buff81

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    Most members of the class of 2017 will NOT have a LOE or LOA.

    Not winning your MOC vacancy will put you on the NWL where you will compete for an appointment with all others nationwide on the NWL. Those on the NWL are ranked top to bottom by WCS.

    I know nothing about your file nor your district, but it is very possible to be a very competitive non-vacancy winner candidate if you are nominated from a competitive district.
     
  5. armydaughter

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    My opinion is the whether or not a candidate received a LOE was indicative of where he or she stood at that time. In my DS's case, he received a LOE before he took his ACT for the last time, before he did his CFA and before he was DODMERB qualified. Each of those things, except DODMERB, could have changed his whole candidate score. So could his 7th semester grades and any other changes to his file since the date of the LOE.

    I am sure that some candidates who got LOEs did not get 3Q or did not get a nomination. Others may have already received appointments to another academy and aren't pursuing USMA anymore.

    It doesn't matter anymore where a candidate stood at LOE time. What matters is where he/she stands now.
     
  6. Pkirk618

    Pkirk618 Retired Army

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    Buff,what about sdvet noms? Letter received, not sure if it was an loe but it was from a minority rep and it did qualify my son and refer to nwl. How do they handle those? Wouldn't they know by now if those slots were filled since the director even insisted, they never fill them all. My son has several noms but of course the sdvet is the highest.

    What do u think?
     
  7. tug_boat

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    Service Connect

    In the past Service Connect does get priority during the selection process and rightfully so. Also your DS WCS does still apply. The service connect credit is only counts for parents, not uncles, aunts or grand parents. Just for others who might read this.


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  8. Sulley's Mom

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    What is "Service Connect"?

    Is "Service Connect" referring to service-related disability, or retired for medical reasons?
     
  9. tug_boat

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    Service Connect

    That would be defined as a parent, who has served in the Armed Forces activily or retired active. 100% disabled from active service is another catagory and priority is given there also. The 100% disability is recieved from active service.


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  10. MemberLG

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    If your DS has SDVET nom and is 3 Qed, he should get an appointment. I doubt that there are 65 3Qed special service connected (see below) nomination candidates.


    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/4342

    (1) 65 cadets selected in order of merit as established by competitive examinations from the children of members of the armed forces who were killed in action or died of, or have a service-connected disability rated at not less than 100 per centum resulting from, wounds or injuries received or diseases contracted in, or preexisting injury or disease aggravated by, active service, children of members who are in a “missing status” as defined in section 551 (2) of title 37, and children of civilian employees who are in “missing status” as defined in section 5561 (5) of title 5. The determination of the Department of Veterans Affairs as to service connection of the cause of death or disability, and the percentage at which the disability is rated, is binding upon the Secretary of the Army.
     
  11. MemberLG

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    http://www.usma.edu/admissions/SitePages/Apply_Nominations.aspx#Serv

    •Sons and Daughters of "career military personnel" (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard)
    The category "career military personnel" refers to members of an armed force (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard) who are on active duty (other than for training) and who have served continuously on active duty for at least eight years, or who are, or who died while they were, retired with pay or granted retired or retainer pay. Also included are service members currently serving in the reserve component who are credited with at least eight continuous years of service computed under section 12733 of Title 10, United States Code. Finally, reservists who would be, or who died while they would have been, entitled to retirement pay except for not having attained 60 years of age are also included in this category.
    ◦Must furnish a statement of service, retirement orders, or casualty report
    ◦A stepparent's military service is applicable for this category only if the applicant was adopted.
    •Regular Army and Reserve Components (Army, Army Reserve, and Army National Guard)
    To request a nomination under this category, submit your commander's endorsement, which is included in your application. Please provide your commander with the following Commander's Guidance that can be used during his interview with you. Soldiers who are not offered an appointment to West Point are automatically considered for enrollment in the United States Military Academy Preparatory School (USMAPS).
    •Sons and Daughters of Deceased or Disabled Armed Forces Veterans
    This category is for sons and daughters of deceased or 100% disabled Armed Forces veterans whose death or disability was determined by the Veterans' Administration to be service-connected, and for sons and daughters of military personnel or federally employed civilians who are in a missing or captured status.
    ◦Include a brief statement concerning the date, place and cause of death or the details of disability together with the claim number assigned to the veteran parent's case by the Veteran's Administration (if appropriate).
    •Sons and Daughters of Persons Awarded the Medal of Honor
    Sons and daughters of Medal of Honor winners are eligible under this category.
    ◦Include a brief statement of the date and circumstances of the award of the Medal of Honor, if applicable.
    •Army Junior and Senior ROTC Programs and Honor ROTC Units of Other Services
    Applicants currently enrolled in an Army Junior or Senior Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) program or an ROTC program from another branch of service that has been designated as an Honor Unit with Distinction are eligible for a nomination in this category. A request for a ROTC Nomination should be made through your Professor of Military Science or Senior Instructor who must fill out and submit a Request for ROTC Nomination (Form 5-497) to the Director of Admissions, U.S. Military Academy.
     
  12. Sulley's Mom

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    Sorry. Still confused.....

    So a parent's 40% disability rating from the VA at retirement does or does not earn a candidate some sort of "special status"?
     
  13. MemberLG

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    From my understanding, 40% disability rating from the VA at retirement does not give service member's childern any "special status."

    This is something you want to double check with the Admissions Office.

    When an applicant submits disbility rating documentation and military retirement documentaiton for the service connected nomination, the admissions office will make the determination, what type of service connecte nomiantion.
     

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