.45 vs 9mm

USMCGrunt said:
All this bluster about the fancy toys. Just give me a Marine with a Kabar and an attitude!
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Haha! That is the exact line that my Grandpa would say all of the time. He was a Korea vet and would always throw that phrase into almost anything.
 
Psh we don't need any fancypants marines. Any dogfaced soldier will get the job done.
 
Even as AF I do have my Kabar hanging on the wall. Have you ever seen a Marine without an attitude with or without that beautiful knife?
 
Army and Marine SF units still use the .45 so apparently they like the stopping power; I love my M1911 and prefer it over the M9. Word is that the M9 is being replaced by a .40 weapon, rationale being the need for more stopping power; have heard many stories from LE folks about incidents where folks were shot numerous times with 9mm weapons and weren't disabled. The stopping power of larger calibers is no myth, its a fact.
 
tommyboy44 said:
.500 Smith and Wesson Magnum

Check and mate
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Find someone who considers .500 mag a SERVICE caliber and get back to me.

Also... FN 5.7 doesn't count.

You know what I'm talking about here. Traditional service calibers, 9, .40, and .45, even .375 Sig and 10mm.
 
beyond said:
Find someone who considers .500 mag a SERVICE caliber and get back to me.

Also... FN 5.7 doesn't count.

You know what I'm talking about here. Traditional service calibers, 9, .40, and .45, even .375 Sig and 10mm.
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The S&W 500 mag. is a pistol. You can't cherry pick which pistol rounds count.

A S&W 500 magnum has more stopping power and a Walther P22

Boom... It's no longer a myth.
 
LineInTheSand said:
The S&W 500 mag. is a pistol. You can't cherry pick which pistol rounds count.

A S&W 500 magnum has more stopping power and a Walther P22

Boom... It's no longer a myth.
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For the purposes of this argument I can...

I will restate:

Using a modern service pistol, with modern service ammo, stopping power is indeed a myth.

The point is that from a pistol that could practically be carried by a concerned citizen/LEO/solider/sailor/airman/marine stopping power isn't a thing. Shot placement is the only thing (with the FN 5.7 being the only possible exception I'm aware of).
 
beyond said:
For the purposes of this argument I can...

I will restate:

Using a modern service pistol, with modern service ammo, stopping power is indeed a myth.

The point is that from a pistol that could practically be carried by a concerned citizen/LEO/solider/sailor/airman/marine stopping power isn't a thing. Shot placement is the only thing (with the FN 5.7 being the only possible exception I'm aware of).
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So you think a sailor can identify a pistol?

"I saw that in a movie once."
 
A concerned citizen often carries a 380.... Do you think a 380 is equal to a 357? A .40? Heck no.
 
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^From research done on DefensiveCarry.com
 
5.7 is good for making small holes in things. It's the pistol version of .223...aka a slightly different .22mag.
 
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