5 Noms with a dropout?

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  1. mtnman17

    mtnman17 USMA Appointee 2015

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    This is really a question for any of these academy forums, but I'll put it here.

    If a kid recieves a nomination from Senator #1, Senator #2, and his congressman, and this fills up each of their 5 slots, and is then accepted to any academy (use USNA, but it doesn't matter) and then drops out after the first year at the school, do the senators and congressman recieve that kid's slot back and are they able to nominate another person the next year, since their kid dropped?
    Hope that makes sense...
     
  2. Just_A_Mom

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    Yes. Only IF his nomination was indeed credited to that particular MOC. Just because a kid drops out doesn't necessarily mean a slot opens up.
     
  3. KveTina

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    I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading somewhere that if a kid drops out, the slot still isn't open. I'll try to look that up though.
     
  4. usna2012mom

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    Keep in mind that a MOC can nominate up to 10 people for each opening he/she has.
     
  5. mtnman17

    mtnman17 USMA Appointee 2015

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    MOC = Member of Congress???

    And who picks which of the 10 gets the actual five slots then? I thought the congressmen decided who they sent and that was it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  6. Just_A_Mom

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    10 people don't get 5 slots. Each MOC (member of congress) may nominate up to 10 candidates for each slot available. Each MOC has a total of 5 slots available. This is roughly equivalent for one candidate each year.
    If more than the 10 nominated by a Congressman or Senator for one slot, receive an apppointment only ONE nominee will be credited to that slot.
    IF that particular nominee then separates from the Academy that slot opens up to be filled the next year.
     
  7. jennyp

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    The MOC DOES NOT DECIDE "WHO THEY SEND!" :eek: The MOC's may have five at each SA at any one time. A Senator or Congressman nominates up to ten for an open slot. The Academy decides who they want to offer an appointment to, not the MOC. The admissions process at each academy is entirely separate from the application process to gain a nomination from an MOC.

    If a kiddo "drops out," a slot may or may not open up for an MOC. Depends who the nomination was charged to. There are other types of nominations besides MOC.

    If you are thinking of applying, I strongly suggest you do some, well actually a lot, of reading and familiarize yourself with the process. It is clear you have no idea. This forum is great to ask questions. Your questions will be much more relevant if you do a bit of research first.
     
  8. mtnman17

    mtnman17 USMA Appointee 2015

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    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
  9. MIHOSER

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    I believe that if a MOC designates a "principal nominee" and that individual is otherwise qualified (3Qed, as they say), then that indiviudal would get the nomination.

    There are others here that know this stuff much better than me; hopefully, they will chime in.
     
  10. Luigi59

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    You mean "appointment." A Principal nominee already has a nomination, as do the other 9 candidates on the nomination slate submitted by the MOC.

    3 methods of MOC nomination submissions:

    Principal with ranked alternates 2-10: If qualified, the principal nominee MUST be appointed, the academy has no choice. If the principal nominee is somehow dq'd, then the next ranked (#2) candidate becomes the principal nominee and the academy MUST appoint (if qualified). And so on down the line.

    Principal with unranked alternates: If qualified, the principal nominee MUST be appointed, the academy has no choice. If the principal nominee is somehow dq'd, the academy has the choice of selecting which of the remaining 9 nominees they will appoint.

    Unranked: All 10 nominees are submitted without preference, allowing the academy to select the candidate/nominee they wish.

    :cool:
     
  11. Just_A_Mom

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    Luigi is correct.

    I you win an appointment with an *alternate* nomination then that appointment is NOT charged against the MOC. IF that person separates then a slot does not open up.

    If you win an appointment as a Prinicple nominee or #1 on a competitive slate of candidates; the appointment is charged to the MOC. If that person separates then his/her slot will open up.

    The trick is - with a competitive slate of nominees you don't always know if YOU were #1 or not. Sometimes the MOC doesn't know right away either.

    Each year, each academy sends an update to each MOC informing them of how many open slots they have available to them.
     
  12. parentofmen

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    Principal nominee gets appointment. MOC gives a "principal alternate" nomination as well. Principal alternate candidate gets rejection letter. Principal nominee is injured before plebe summer, can't go to the academy. What happens to principal alternate who was rejected? Still out and spot is filled with waitlisted candidate? Or does the Academy have to fill the spot with the principal alternate?
     
  13. mmb5

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    Here's a good explanation of the process:

    http://www.west-point.org/academy/malo-wa/educators/noms.html
     
  14. mtnman17

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    They try to fill the slot from within the nomination slate of candidates. If the alternate was rejected because he was not *qualified* then he remains rejected and they try and find a qualified alternate on the slate of canididates.
    A few years back I heard of a kid with an appointment was accepted to another college off the waitlist in June. He took that and rejected his academy appointment. Another candidate who also received a nomination from the same senator was called.

    IMO - this happens rarely and is usually what happens when a candidate is called late in the process - say June.

    Keep in mind - just because a MOC picks a *Principle Nominee* doesn't mean he is *qualified* by the academy to attend and he must be *qualified* or he won't be offered an appointment.
     

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