He is a civilian Dean, regardless of being a prior active duty Captain, he is now retired and as such a civilian. He is paid as an SES and not subject to the UCMJ.
Academy Dean of Faculty Brig. General Born to Retire?
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He is a civilian Dean, regardless of being a prior active duty Captain, he is now retired and as such a civilian. He is paid as an SES and not subject to the UCMJ.
Thanks Luigi for the clarification that he's not just some person from another university that hasn't spent a day in the life of the men and women he's trying to educate for their future.
I know when to tap out. I'll just educate myself on the pros and cons of a civilian running an SA else where.
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Will
I think that is the point.
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+1.
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Are you sure about that?
You might want to check again as to "who is subject to the UCMJ" -- Pay close attention to Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part II › Chapter 47 › Subchapter I › § 802 (a) (4).
Are you sure about that?
You might want to check again as to "who is subject to the UCMJ" -- Pay close attention to Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part II › Chapter 47 › Subchapter I › § 802 (a) (4).
We can quibble about him being subjected to UCMJ authority, however he is an SES and as such would most likely be subject to the rules and regulations for the Senior Executive Services.
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Getting back to the original subject...
"Dana" is my classmate, and someone I know pretty well. I am not a bit surprised that she is retiring. She is "topped out" as Dean; was the first female USAFA grad to make flag rank (I think, not certain) and has pretty much "done it all."
She's still young, and can make a very positive impact elsewhere...time for her to do that and to allow for a new Dean.
I wish her the very best and will say so when we see each other at our reunion next fall.
She's really an amazing woman; has been since BCT in 1979...through all our years at USAFA, and since.
(Yeah, I'm one of her fans!)
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"Dana" is my classmate, and someone I know pretty well. I am not a bit surprised that she is retiring. She is "topped out" as Dean; was the first female USAFA grad to make flag rank (I think, not certain) and has pretty much "done it all."
She's still young, and can make a very positive impact elsewhere...time for her to do that and to allow for a new Dean.
I wish her the very best and will say so when we see each other at our reunion next fall.
She's really an amazing woman; has been since BCT in 1979...through all our years at USAFA, and since.
(Yeah, I'm one of her fans!)
Steve
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One of the forum directives is to not post misleading or false information, I only sought to correct your error.
You can rationalize it as 'quibbling" but I prefer to call it a correction of a misleading or false post you made, lest someone else take your post as the truth.
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Of course, her own office could have done it too. Maybe it was an embargoed release and the local publication got an itchy finger.
Maybe someone mentioned it to the wrong person.
Maybe she told someone.
Who knows?
The military tends to overclassify things. If it's not classified, pre-decisional, or proprietary, then the American people should know. Something about being a transparent federal government.
This has nothing to do with OPSEC. It has nothing to do with information that is considered FOUO. It's not classified.
Maybe they jumped the gun a little, or maybe it was planned. Either way, it wasn't illegal. If it was in fact NOT planned, well, then someone might get a talking to.
That's said, "on background" or "off the record" or "deep background" happens all the time. It can even be very effective, but in turn is also risky.
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Just looked at the diploma above my desk. The "Dean of Academics" line was signed by an active duty Coast Guard captain (Fuller). Even wore his uniform to our graduation (imagine that!).
USUALLY CGA has a civilian dean of academics though.
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Since we got back in the release of info.
Just my perspective from the yrs I have been with Bullet. The talk is always there way before they PCS or retire because everyone can do the math. The talk is there about Gould now too. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out he has been there for quite sometime and looking at his predecessor, he is what we call short.
I understand why some feel that it should have been not released, but from a different perspective...not OPSEC. Many look at it from the same way as traditional colleges...who will be the next one? It is just fodder, guessing and gossip.
Traditionally, they like to have the next person in place before announcing the current member's move due to these are Flag officers. This makes it a smooth transition from one to another, instead of one to "acting". At that rank it is not like an O5 becoming a DO in a squadron, it needs approval at very high levels.
Gen. Gould was at the Pentagon, actually Bullet's boss when he was there the 1st time. Everyone knew he was leaving (i.e. doing the math), yet his official announcement was synced with AFA, and his successor at the Pentagon. It came out at the same time.
To me I think that is why some have heartburn over this issue. It diverts what is important to noise.
Just my 0.017974 cents.
Just my perspective from the yrs I have been with Bullet. The talk is always there way before they PCS or retire because everyone can do the math. The talk is there about Gould now too. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out he has been there for quite sometime and looking at his predecessor, he is what we call short.
I understand why some feel that it should have been not released, but from a different perspective...not OPSEC. Many look at it from the same way as traditional colleges...who will be the next one? It is just fodder, guessing and gossip.
Traditionally, they like to have the next person in place before announcing the current member's move due to these are Flag officers. This makes it a smooth transition from one to another, instead of one to "acting". At that rank it is not like an O5 becoming a DO in a squadron, it needs approval at very high levels.
Gen. Gould was at the Pentagon, actually Bullet's boss when he was there the 1st time. Everyone knew he was leaving (i.e. doing the math), yet his official announcement was synced with AFA, and his successor at the Pentagon. It came out at the same time.
To me I think that is why some have heartburn over this issue. It diverts what is important to noise.
Just my 0.017974 cents.
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My concern has to do with giving any information to a "reporter" at the CS Independent. She has an ax to grind. If you read the article (and now the downright rude comments) that was this "reporters" goal from the beginning.
So if the person who didn't want to be named as a source was an employee of the AFA, it only serves to stir the hornets nest. IF that happened, that person who leaked information is cancer.
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I'm not in the habit of defending reporters, but if ever public affairs officer refused to speak with a reporter with an "ax to grind"... not much would be said... and that would be BAD for the U.S. public.
You provide reporters with information (hopefully approved), and you provide it from an angle that provides the truth while including your command's (or company's) talking points.
Once you've provided that, you hope it isn't a hit piece.
During the Deepwater Horizon oil spill I was interviewed by Politico. It was VERY clear the direction the reporter wanted to go in, but it wasn't correct. To add some fuel to that fire, it was also very political, but I wasn't biting.
When the article did come out, my quote was just fine, but how she framed it was incorrect. I called her to let her know (but come on, she knew what she did).
You do what you can, and you hope they do too. It's an interesting relationship because if the reporter betrays that shaky trust, the next time they might not have the information. It's in their best interest to be straight forward, but sometimes, if they can get a jump on something, they may burn a bridge. The same is true on the other side for the public affairs officer or public affairs specialist.
In the end the public doesn't see that dance and doesn't know the difference.
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After reading the post, however, it doesn't really come off as a true hit piece. The unnamed source just provided the reporter with the information that she was retiring (which, I sure was NOT news to the U.S. Air Force). The report drew from a number of issues Born had over the years.
It actually makes sense to have a civilian dean who is focused on the academics side of things.
It actually makes sense to have a civilian dean who is focused on the academics side of things.
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I just read the article you stated, a couple of things popped up into my mind.
1. She will have 30 yrs in come May 2013, and it is typical to give punch at the 1 yr prior marker.
2. At the 30 yr marker she is basically at the max retirement pay of 75% base. If 2nd career employers are knocking at her door, it makes sense to retire...see my earlier comment about this is very common place at higher ranks. They typically have their job in place before they punch.
3. Ads are going to be run shortly on the military boards.
~~~ I have to laugh at that because typically they already know who they want, that person has been offered the position (conditionally), the ads are just to show the illusion that they didn't handpick the next person, but honestly it is rare, rare, rare, did I say rare enough because that is the system. It is called BNR...By Name Request. You don't apply for these positions off of advertised postings, you are requested to put your name in the pile.
I am also with LITS, I didn't see it at all as a hit piece, but maybe I am not reading the same piece.
The piece I read was http://www.gazette.com/articles/academy-147038-dean-faculty.html
I also think it is a smart decision to go this route with a civilian. The reason why is two fold:
1. It gives the AFA a great way to transition the Supe. At the Pentagon, they do exactly that, and for that reason. A civilian will be there for yrs, PCSing is not a factor as it would be if both the Supe and the Dean were ADAF
2. Gone are the days that all of the Profs are ADAF. There are many civilians, and with that fact it allows them to be a liaison between ADAF and the GS staff.
Just my silly, irrational, non-ADAF perspective. Feel free to flame me.
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MEA CULPA I read the Gazette, not the Independent because when I googled CS AFA, the Gazette popped up, not the Independent. My polish pea brain went off of that since I didn't see you linking the article in your post.
1. She will have 30 yrs in come May 2013, and it is typical to give punch at the 1 yr prior marker.
2. At the 30 yr marker she is basically at the max retirement pay of 75% base. If 2nd career employers are knocking at her door, it makes sense to retire...see my earlier comment about this is very common place at higher ranks. They typically have their job in place before they punch.
3. Ads are going to be run shortly on the military boards.
~~~ I have to laugh at that because typically they already know who they want, that person has been offered the position (conditionally), the ads are just to show the illusion that they didn't handpick the next person, but honestly it is rare, rare, rare, did I say rare enough because that is the system. It is called BNR...By Name Request. You don't apply for these positions off of advertised postings, you are requested to put your name in the pile.
I am also with LITS, I didn't see it at all as a hit piece, but maybe I am not reading the same piece.
The piece I read was http://www.gazette.com/articles/academy-147038-dean-faculty.html
I also think it is a smart decision to go this route with a civilian. The reason why is two fold:
1. It gives the AFA a great way to transition the Supe. At the Pentagon, they do exactly that, and for that reason. A civilian will be there for yrs, PCSing is not a factor as it would be if both the Supe and the Dean were ADAF
2. Gone are the days that all of the Profs are ADAF. There are many civilians, and with that fact it allows them to be a liaison between ADAF and the GS staff.
Just my silly, irrational, non-ADAF perspective. Feel free to flame me.
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MEA CULPA I read the Gazette, not the Independent because when I googled CS AFA, the Gazette popped up, not the Independent. My polish pea brain went off of that since I didn't see you linking the article in your post.
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I know I beating a dead horse. My perception was that the Independent was taking a few jabs all-the-while attempting to be "unbiased". It served to fan the flames. That was simply my perception. After reading the comments, it seems that reporter succeeded.
It served to fan the flames. That was simply my perception. After reading the comments, it seems that reporter succeeded.
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MN, I wonder if Pam Zubeck, reporter aka blogger is the same person that came on this site about 2 yrs ago to get posters to talk to her.
There was a female reporter from CO that tried to get people here to "talk", but the mods closed that door very quickly.
She also tried this on another forum, but unfortunately for her they were ADAF and they didn't just shut the door, they slammed it close with their foot on her behind at the same time.
There was a female reporter from CO that tried to get people here to "talk", but the mods closed that door very quickly.
She also tried this on another forum, but unfortunately for her they were ADAF and they didn't just shut the door, they slammed it close with their foot on her behind at the same time.