Acceptance Question

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  1. 34KING18

    34KING18 Member

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    Hey guys. Quick question. I was looking back at one of my older posts and someone said that you have 30 days to accept a scholarship if you are awarded one. If you are awarded a scholarship and lets say that you applied to a Service Academy, if you accept the ROTC scholarship, do you have to back out of the Service Academy application or does the Service Academy override the ROTC scholarship? Is there a consequence for overriding the ROTC if you do? Thanks
     
  2. k2rider

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    There is no "override" in either direction. Accept your ROTC scholarship while you wait to hear from the Academy. If you gets accepted to the Academy and decide to go that route, you will eventually just let Cadet Command know you won't be going the ROTC route.
     
  3. 34KING18

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    So there will be no penalty for accepting the ROTC scholarship and then not using it?
     
  4. Kronk

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    Correct.
    I do suggest you be courtious about it though should you decide to not use it and contact the ROO or ROTC Battalion in some way once you are definitely not going to use the scholarship.
     
  5. hotwheelsearl

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    One of my best friends here in AFROTC was awarded a scholarship, but also got into USAFA.

    He ended up going to USAFA for 21 days, bailed out, and was back in time for school to start, where he managed to apply his AFROTC scholarship anyways.

    An interesting story for me:
    I was awarded BOTH NROTC and AFROTC scholarships. At first they were at different schools, but I managed to get them both applied to the same school. I ended up dropping the Navy one, but funnily enough, they had already paid my tuition for the quarter. So I had two services paying my tuition at once. Navy ended up getting a refund from the school, and probably said bad things about me behind closed doors. Oh well....
     
  6. Pima

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    BS! RED FLAG! Troll!

    1. For USAFA the minute you show up on I Day the scholarship is revoked. There is no hold onto the scholarship for 21 days. Hold onto your matriculation if the folks paid the deposit? Yep. ROTC scholarship? NOPE, No way, no how. You take an oath on I Day and USAFA informs HQ AFROTC that they are now a USAFA cadet. it is immediately revoked.

    2. BS on NROTC paying for you while you went AFROTC! BS BS BS!
    Why am I saying BS? Because anyone that is a ROTC scholarship cadet/mid knows you have to pass the PFA to activate the scholarship. NROTC will not pay any tuition funds until you show up and pass the PFA. AFROTC wont either. Scholarships are not activated until you pass the PFA, and proof of citizenship (birth certificate or passport) plus a SS card. As a scholarship recipient you also need to give them a voided check or deposit slip for your bank account (stipend)
    ~ If your school allowed it, than the units are a huge screw up.

    Might be just me, but I think any scholarship recipient would agree with me that this is BS you are flying.

    I thought you were a troll with the shadow box... buying a sabre as an AS100? no AFROTC cadet buys it even when they commission! Buying a wheel cap? Nobody in the AF buys it until they are an O4 and forced to buy it! You can't place a wheel cap in a shadow box, and they will give you a service cap as a cadet. Your posts proved that you are not, were not a scholarship recipient.
    ~~ Arnie Air Society ribbon? You do know that AAS is a military fraternity like Silver Wings and Angel Flight, right? My DH and DS were both in AAS. They didn't have ribbons. They had chords. Blue and Gold that were worn on their shoulders.

    I can be wrong, but until you prove with additional info that I am wrong, I will stand by my position. I have no problem eating crow. However, if I am right and you are trolling, please remember that your freedom of speech, trolling here, exists because everyone here is willing to fight and die for your right to yank their chain here.

    Shame on you if I am right. Shame on me if I am wrong.
     
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  7. hotwheelsearl

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    Alright, Pima, I have no idea why you are showing such animosity towards me. What have I done to you? I don't have to prove myself to you, but I get severely upset when people accuse me of being a liar. So please read the following, and do not judge me again.

    1. My friend attended USAFA for exactly 21 days before leaving. He still retains issued material from USAFA, such as a blue backpack embroidered with his name, PT gear, a bathrobe, and other assorted items. Now, I'm not completely certain what the process is, but what I do know is that he is currently enrolled in AFROTC, and he pays no tuition money. As a polite individual, I am not intimately familiar with the details of other peoples' financial situations.

    2. NROTC paid my tuition before school even began. At that point, I had yet to decline their scholarship. Once I declined, they had to get their money back. Please see the attached photo for my account balances for that period of time. With close enough observation, hopefully you can see that "N.R.O.T.C" paid amounts of over $4,000, which was then refunded back to them. Don't ask me how or why.
    To address your concern that I am not an AFROTC scholarship recipient, please see the next attached picture for a similar situation to the above described, except this time it is "Air Force ROTC 9000 FY" that is paying amounts of over $4,000.

    3. Why would I place a cap inside a shadow box? I have heard of people placing flags, or sometimes whole uniform jackets inside a shadow box. I have yet to see a cap being placed in a shadow box, unless it is in a box all by its lonesome, which, in my opinion, would look very odd. Some people like to display their ribbons, medals, and decorations. I like to display the ribbons that I have earned as a cadet, especially now since that I will likely be disenrolled from the program. I think that seems reasonable enough. If that is in any way wrong, please let me know.

    4. Please see the third attached picture for my saber and service cap. The statement that "nobody" buys these things is erroneous, as you are likely drawing your information from a limited pool. Obviously, somebody buys these, as I have them myself. Why would I get them, you ask? Why would I not? There's nothing wrong with purchasing things with your own money. I'm not sure where I have sinned in purchasing these items for myself.
    Here's a link to buy your own service cap: http://www.uniforms-4u.com/p-usaf-company-grade-officer-hat-7324.aspx

    5. Again, your generalized assumption that "nobody" buys them until they are an O-4 is blatantly incorrect. Please take a look at AFI 36-2903.
    "6.2.1.1. The visor-type service cap is banded with dark blue 1 ¾ inch braid and has a front black chin strap. An optional version has a braid of an open mesh construction and an optional black leather back strap. The cap sits squarely on the head with no hair protruding in front of the cap. Officers wear the service cap insignia without a circle and with the appropriate clouds and darts (based on rank) centered on the front of the cap. Enlisted wear the service cap insignia with a circle, centered on the front of the cap. Service cap is mandatory for Majors and above to maintain and optional for all others. (emphasis added)" This regulation is found on page 86, if you are curious.
    What does this mean? Well, it appears that if you are an O-4 (Major) and above, you are required to own and maintain a service cap. The phrase, "optional for all others" means that all other, i.e. Lieutenants, Captains, can own and maintain one if they choose to do so. No regulations that I could find exist governing cadets wearing the service cap. However, since every other uniform item that a cadet wears (service dress, flight cap, rank placement) is the same as officers, it is only reasonable to assume that Air Force officer uniform regulations apply towards cadets as well.

    6. I do know that AAS is an honor society, and I also do know that it took something like 15 weeks to complete the program. This was due to several cancellations and other issues that made the whole experience drawn out. Is there something wrong with being proud of a ribbon that I worked so hard to earn? AAS cadets comprise less than 10 percent of the detachment. I am proud of my ribbon, proud of my AAS rank and cord, and proud of being an Active in Arnold Air Society.

    Now, if you have any further questions regarding my credibility, please voice them here. I still do not understand why you were so excruciatingly impolite to me, but hopefully this post addresses all of your concerns.

    In the future, correct grammar, capitalization, and punctuation makes a world of a difference in an argument. Little details such as those really degrade the quality of an argument. It is hard to take somebody seriously if they do not take their own writing seriously.
     

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  8. hotwheelsearl

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  9. Pima

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    Lets take this 1 by 1.

    1. He left USAFA. YOU ASSUMED he used AFROTC scholarship.
    ~ As you stated you are not intimately familiar with his scenario.
    ~~ Telling posters here that you can double dip is wrong. His AFROTC scholarship was revoked. Now, maybe he was given an ICSP from the college, but HQ AFROTC NO!
    2. I am not going to look at your account info, and honestly I would never attach anything with my name on the net. I hope you remove it ASAP.
    ~ Again, I am not looking at it, but OMG why would you even think about sharing it? HUH? I would take my child out to the woodshed for posting on any forum their bill.
    Your words:
    Please see the attached photo for my account balances for that period of time. With close enough observation, hopefully you can see that "N.R.O.T.C" paid amounts of over $4,000, which was then refunded back to them. Don't ask me how or why.
    To address your concern that I am not an AFROTC scholarship recipient, please see the next attached picture for a similar situation to the above described, except this time it is "Air Force ROTC 9000 FY" that is paying amounts of over $4,000.
    3. Shadow box issue. You are right people place flags, flight jackets, ribbons, etc. That being said in the AF the shadow box is done at retirement.
    ~ You want to do it now...have a party. I am not paying the 200-300 bill.
    4. Saber and cap issue. That is your choice. Want to spend your money. go for it. Just saying as an AF fliers wife of 20+ years and AF ROTC Mom, the way you know commissioning source is when you enter their home and see the I love me wall. ROTC grads do not have sabers, caveat...SMC grads may. Our DS does not have a wheel cap. Bullet when he gave the oath to a poster here and our DS as an O5 wore his flight cap.
    5. Have you ever stepped foot on an AF Base? O4 and above do not wear the wheel cap on a daily basis. Wing Kings and Queens wear the flight cap. Sure they can wear the wheel, but they don't.
    ~ Please understand that although i am only a wife, I also lived the life. Bullet when he wore his blues everyday he wore the flight cap. Change of command when he was in the audience he wore the flight cap. Promoted to O5 he wore the flight cap. The only time he ever wore the wheel cap....graduation from CGSC at Leavenworth.
    6. AAS is a military fraternity. That is a fact.

    I did not mean to offend you, but when you say to a poster that they can leave an SA after 21 days and use their ROTC scholarship, it is wrong. The minute they take the oath at an SA, the ROTC scholarship from HQ is voided. Your school paying before you contracted is not normal. It is rare, rare, rare.
    ~ I guess NROTC is not like AFROTC. You must accept in May. I believe AROTC is 30 days after the award.
     
  10. Pima

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    Honestly the AAS ribbon is equivalent to the I was alive and in the military in 1991. I think it is called the National Defense Medal. The AF gives out ribbons like candy on Halloween. Hey, you moved....here you go you now get a PCS ribbon. Hey, you lived overseas, here is a ribbon. Shot the gun proficiently, here is a ribbon.
    ~ Love the AF, but that is the truth.

    Ribbons and medals are two different things.

    Think about what you are saying. I joined a military frat and got a ribbon! It is not a bragging moment.
    ~ Remember both my DH and DS were AAS.
     
  11. hotwheelsearl

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    In regards to security concerns, the pictures I posted feature no sensitive information, only date, charge, and amount charged. Thank you for looking out though.

    Now that we have both said what we need to say, I think it's time to move on. I apologize for raging, but I'm glad we kept things civil.

    I think it is time to move out of OP's thread and allow others to post information that will be helpful to OP.
     
  12. Pima

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    I agree. The fact is this is your life. Good luck, God Bless and thank you for defending this great nation.
     
  13. Jcleppe

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    Every AFROTC Cadet that commissioned and was sworn in at Graduation this past weekend at my son's school wore this.
     
  14. Pima

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    Wore what? Not being antagonistic, just trying to know what this was.
     
  15. Jcleppe

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    Not sure what the AF calls it, it would be equivalent to the Army ASU Service Cap, looks just like the one that was pictured with the saber in a previous post, I think you called it a Wheel Cap in the same post I quoted.

    BTW, the same thing happened at my son's school this year, a cadet had received both an AROTC and a NROTC Scholarship, he held on to both until the final date to decline, he declined the Scholarship from NROTC. Cadet show up at school, passes the APFT and is contracted the next day. About 45 days later he received a call from the school's accounting office asking why he had received tuition payments from both the Army and the Navy. The cadet went over to the Navy office and asked what had happened. They apologized and said it must have been a mix up at NROTC Command. The Navy received a refund with in a few days and life went on. Neither of these programs are Screw Ups, sometimes it's just an accounting error. And just so you know, I have no desire to spread "BS"
     
  16. Pima

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    Interesting. Nobody at our DSs wore the wheel cap. Our DD last weekend received her master from VT. An SMC. As we walked to her ceremony the AFROTC cadets that were in the Corps were walking on campus, right after they were commissioned...they all were wearing a flight cap.

    I have to say NOBODY wears a wheel cap. You would be the officer saying LOOK at me. It just us something you would never do. Bullet wore his once....CGSC graduation.

    Also anybody in the AF knows the wheel cap also shows rank. The OP would not have the silver insignia on the cover. It would be plain. Cerentompany grade an Field grade covers are different.

    Time to get back pm point.
     
  17. USMAROTCFamily

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    Just a point of clarification, but NROTC will pay tuition without passing their PT test.
     
  18. ca2midwestmom

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    No penalty but you should let the ROTC unit know as soon as you are sure you won't use it. My DS received both an AROTC scholarship and USMA appointment. He accepted both in January. Declined the AROTC scholarship before heading to Beast.
     

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