Accessions after ECP

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  1. adesa1996

    adesa1996 Member

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    I was wondering what it would be like for a 2nd Lieutenant to go through accessions and compete for Branching/AD after getting commissioned through the Early Commissioning Program? Im assuming since he already has Guard or Reserve experience it would be a little easier to get what he wants.
     
  2. QA1517

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    Everything is based on your OML just like any other traditional cadet.

    If you are on scholarship and do SMP while in ROTC you get a couple of points (not exactly sure how many, this is what I've been told anyway). You access with all other graduating cadets.

    No preference is given to branching based upon your guard unit.
     
  3. brooksla

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    QA 1517 is correct. I was an ECP, did the SMP program and when I listed my choices for branch, I did receive my first one but again, it is based upon your OML. Good luck! My college major may have had some small part of it because I requested Quartermaster and I majored in Marketing/Logistics.
     
  4. QA1517

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    Just out of curiosity brooksla, how was your experience going into AD as promotable LT from ECP.

    My son is an ECP cadet now and is drilling with a sapper unit.
     
  5. brooksla

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    The experience was amazing. I felt better prepared than most 2LT's might feel coming on activity duty. My time as an SMP as well as serving as a PL in a National Guard unit, a great Company first sergeant and platoon sergeants who modeled great leadership helped tremendously. Also, my time in pay was better.:smile: I wasn't a 2LT very long on active duty either.

    For my first assignment, I requested Korea. Great duty station to earn some good experience and opportunities that exist often at higher positions of responsibility than stateside. I was chosen for a detachment command position supervising over 60 soldiers and 80 Korean nationals. Big Job for a greenhorn but great way to cut my teeth. Ended up extending 6 months while I was there. Then, was asked to take over a company XO position of one of the largest companies in Korea. Got picked up for Company Command early too. Learn from your NCO's. The good ones have your best interest at heart.
     
  6. QA1517

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    Thanks, I will pass the info along.

    Son's unit is short on officers so he is actually listed as a platoon leader after just 4 month's of drill. He said his nco's thanked him for not coming in with an attitude and for showing them respect. He has sat in on some meetings with the battalion command and said it was quite intimidating to start with. Listen and learn.

    Not many ECP contributors on here so it's nice to here something.
     
  7. Soundchaser_Frank

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    My son is an MSIII ECP at a Jr. Military College. The scuttlebut is that the ECP cadets will no longer have the option of competing for active duty. I googled a bit and found this line in the Wiki ECP article: "as of 2014 the option for contracted ECP cadets to compete for active duty is potentially being revoked." Does anyone know if this has been codified?
     
  8. Jcleppe

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    I read the same thing, the definitive answer on this will come from your son's cadre. Anything is possible right now with the current drawdowns in the Army.

    Remember, even though your son will commission in 2016, he still has a minimum of 2 1/2 years from now before he will be going through accessions, even if they revoke the Active Duty option at this time, it doesn't mean it will stay that way. Things could change at any time between now and when he goes through accessions and branching.

    And of course the key word in that statement is "Potentially"
     
  9. QA1517

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    The other statement is "as of 2014".
    Does that mean cadets that start in 2014, cadets that access in 2014 , or cadets that graduatethe JMC in 2014? DS still has not been told and he commissions in May. I know that some cadets that graduated from his Junior Military College that have completed their degree requirement and accessed this past fall received AD. He also said that to get the waiver from the GRFD to go AD now goes to a higher authority than cadet command. He's just progressing now as if it is still a possibility until told otherwise.
     
  10. Soundchaser_Frank

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    Since DS has only been under scholarship for two academic quarters I wonder if he can drop the GRFD scholarship, repay the tuition and continue on as a non scholarship ECP. If i'm not mistaken my DS's school pays for room and board for non scholarship ECPs. I think all ECPs also get the $10k educational assistance junior and senior year at the follow on school. The financial impact of paying tuition at the junior military college might be worth it if it means he could transfer to a SMC and still have AD on the table. Of course he's also SMP which might also be a barrier to AD. Thoughts?
     
  11. QA1517

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    Let me start by saying I am no expert on this so most of what I say is just an educated guess with a little research.
    At DS's school if you are not a Scholarship ECP cadet you do not participate in SMP. I do not believe non-scholarship cadets get the schools room and board scholarship. Therefore, since your DS is participating in SMP he has sworn into the national guard which is I believe where the catch is.

    Let's assume that you are able to null and void the scholarship with repayment, he commissions and goes onto an SMC to finish his degree. During those two years he is commissioned into the guard or reserves as an officer, he is just non-deployable. Since he is not on scholarship does the contract with the guard override the SMC graduate status? He signed his contract with the guard first. If he is still on an ECP scholarship it specifically states that he can petition to have his GRFD revoked and access with that years class. Without the ECP scholarship contract he does not have that written option.

    Don't forget that he is still accessed based upon his OML score. Even at the SMC it is the PMS's decision whether cadets get AD or not, it is not 100% guaranteed.

    As far as the follow up 2 yr scholarship for ECP cadets I just assumed it was only for those that were ECP scholarship recipients. I never really thought about it though, that would be something to look into. Some places state that for every year you use this scholarship it's an additional year of service requirement. When my son was looking at schools and making decisions we asked this question and the ROO at the school he chose said he had not heard of that. (Now that could be because we are in-state residents attending an in-state MJC and the congressman that created this scholarship was from our state so there may be something buried deep in the regulations in regard to that).

    Nothing we have seen specifically states that the Army will not access ECP cadets anymore (there just aren't that many of them that try for active duty). There has been no official statement. My personal feeling is that they will keep doing it as they have in the past, and just like traditional ROTC cadets, AD slots are becoming more competitive so they will have to be at the top of their game. Also with fewer traditional cadets receiving active duty, there is not the shortage of junior officers in the guard/reserves as there was previously (that may vary by state). I read where our states guard is running at 110% man-power, I assume that is officer strength also not just enlisted. I know the unit he is doing SMP with has no openings for 2nd LT's.
     
  12. Soundchaser_Frank

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    QA1517, thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'm hoping that you are right re: the Army continuing to allow ECP's to compete for AD. The possibility of AD was certainly one factor in my son's decision to go the ECP route. It would be a shame if the AD option were denied after all the recruiting propaganda on this subject. He understands no guarantee. Senior Military Colleges are under consideration for a variety of reasons, not just the potential leg up in getting AD.
     
  13. QA1517

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    We asked that question several times of the ROO and even at LTC and each time the answer was "At this time the Army is still allowing ECP's to access AD". So DS kind rolled the dice knowing it wasn't a 100% chance.

    Good luck to your son, make sure a plan B is in place just in case.
     

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