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Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by MWM2016, Apr 28, 2015.

  1. MWM2016

    MWM2016 Member

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    Hi:)
    I just received my ACT back.
    My scores were:
    English 34
    Math 28
    Reading 33
    Science 26
    Composite: 30

    I will be retaking them again- but does USAFA look at English and Math more than the other sections? Also I know '36' is the number to aim for- but what numbers are deemed competitive or extremely competitive?
     
  2. baileydb

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    Generally, the scores you want to try for is 30 or higher in each section. Those are the average scores for USAFA (I believe science might be 29 but I am not positive......)
     
  3. Christcorp

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    The academy is one of the leading engineering schools in the country. Even if you're a behavioral science or history major, you still must take numerous engineering classes. Hence, why everyone gets a B.S. And not a B.A. Degree. Math and science is everything to the academy. Not that the other test scores don't mean anything, but math and science is Everything. Keep retaking the act. If you have a 34-36 in math and science, they can overlook the 26-27 in other scores much easier than the other way around.
     
  4. frenzymando

    frenzymando Banned

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    I don't want to sound like I'm correcting you or anything because you undoubtedly know much more than me about the Academy's admissions, but
    but I read something about West Point admissions(which I know is not exactly the same as Air Force admissions) that said science carries very little weight and that Math means the most followed by English, then reading, and then science. Here is what it said:

    "(Taken from Class of 2000 WCS Calculations Sheet and from a USMA
    Admissions document entitled “Annex A: Quantification of Candidate File
    Components”)
    WHOLE CANDIDATE SCORE (WCS)
    WCS: (6 x CEER) + (3 x CLS) + (PAE SCORE)

    [SAT]
    CEER: (.364 x HSR) + (.269 x SATV) + (.432 x SATM) - 48


    [ACT Equivalent]
    ACEER: (.219 x HSR) + (9.43 x ACTM) + (4.62 x ACTE) + (0.45 x ACTS) + (4.01 x ACTR) - 41.5"

    HSR stands for high school rank, ACTM is math, ACTE English, ACTS science, ACTR reading.

    I'm not sure if this is true, but I was under the impression that WP, the Naval Academy and Air Force Academy admissions were fairly similar. I've also heard that the Naval Academy doesn't even factor in the science portion so it would come as a bit of a surprise to me if it carried that much weight in the Air Force Academy's admissions.
     
  5. KTMDad

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    I would look at stats published by USAFA on test scores to get your answer. As many experienced "posters" have said over the years, "do you want to be average or above average?" If science wasn't important, why would USAFA post the averages. Just my opinion.....

    Class of 2017 Profile
    AVERAGE SAT SCORES
    SAT Verbal 642
    SAT Math 669
    AVERAGE ACT SCORES
    ACT English 30.0
    ACT Reading 30.4
    ACT Math 30.3
    ACT Science Reasoning 29.8
     
  6. frenzymando

    frenzymando Banned

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    Sorry if I worded what I said poorly. I wasn't attempting to say that Science is worthless, I was just trying to say that I don't think Science is very important. Based off of that equation, English is worth 10x what Science is and Reading is worth about 9x more. Math is worth about 21x more than science! So while Science carries weight, based on that chart, I don't think it is one of the main things they looks at. Science is important and you want to be the best applicant you can possibly be, but according to that equation Math, English, and Reading are far more important. Based on that equation, increasing just 1 point in Math is worth more than increasing 20 points in Science.
     
  7. Christcorp

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    Many people look for the "Standards". If you try to "Meet' the standards, you probably won't get into the air force academy. As KTM stated, what is important isn't what the "Standards" are. But what the "Averages" are. ACT minimum scores are in the 25-26. However, the "Average" is around 30. The average high school GPA of an incoming cadet is 3.86. And THAT is just the AVERAGE.

    Yes, you can receive an appointment with a 26-30 ACT scores and science being the lowest. And if you happen to be the best on your MOC's nomination slate, you'll probably receive an appointment. But if you're not the "Best", and you wind up competing in the National Pool, then you're going to have a difficult time receiving an appointment when the "Average" cadet has a 29-30 ACT across all tests and a 3.86gpa. And don't rationalize average to mean that half have less and half have higher. With a lot of other variables used to make appointments, there are individuals with 3.2 - 3.4 gpa's who are drastically bringing down the average. Don't confuse the "Median" average with the "Mean" average.

    And I will say as I always say. Your "GOAL" should be to score a 36 on EACH of the ACT tests. Your goal should be to achieve a 4.0gpa in your classes. Not that it's something you'd LIKE to happen. But that you are actually working TOWARDS reaching that goal of a 36ACT and 4.0gpa. If you're working toward "Meeting" the standards, then you greatly reduce your chances of receiving an appointment. I'm not saying anyone here isn't trying their best for a 36act and 4.0gpa. Simply saying, that asking questions about what the "Standards" are; or asking what tests scores are more important; or what is competitive; are all self defeating questions. They lead to rationalization and hold you back.

    All you can do is to try YOUR BEST. If you can go through the entire process, know in your heart that you did your very best in the classroom, ACT/SAT tests, CFA, extra curricular activities, sports, etc. then it doesn't matter if you don't receive an appointment. You'll know you did your best and you'll move on with plan "B" and possibly reapply again the next year. If you can't honestly say that you gave it everything you had and you rationalize your application with all the excuses and reasons "WHY" you couldn't do sports, or couldn't do volunteer activities or extra curricular, or didn't do well on the tests, or anything else; then it's something you'll have to come to terms with. Whether you actually did do 100% on everything or you didn't, only you will ever know the answer to that. But I learned a long time ago, and I live by it even today. "If I have to do something, be somewhere, etc. then I'll give it 100%. Do it once, do it right, and move on to other thing. Preferably things I'd RATHER be doing". If not, then I'm simply wasting my time. I learned this the hard way. Don't look for the "Standards". Don't even look for the "Average". look for the MAXIMUM SCORE you can get in ALL AREAS in EVERYTHING you do in life. That is your goal. And as long as that's your goal, you'll never even need to ask the other questions, or even care what the answers are. Because it simply won't matter. What will matter is: "Did YOU do your BEST? In your heart, can you go to sleep at night knowing you couldn't have given it any more?" If you can answer yes to that, then none of the questions being discussed will even matter.
     
  8. jtferrell7

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    I am an incoming member of the class of 2019, and I can tell you that the applications to all academies will specifically list Math and English alongside your composite. They are by far the most important.
    As others have said, shoot for 30's in everything. I had similar scores to you. I would definitely do my best to get a 30 in math and a 28 in science if I were you. I promise you can do it! Good luck!
     
  9. fencersmother

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    "I want to go to USAFA (or other US S.A.) and I hate Math, and I just want to major in Management or Foreign Area Studies."
    "Well, son, you know you will have to take and succeed in fast-paced Calculus, Engineering, Aero- and Astro- Engineering..."
    "But I hate Math."

    Yes, we get it. As Christcorp said, it's ALL important. Aim for 36 in EVERY area on the ACT. Aim for 800 in both Math and Critical Reading on the SAT. Make that your goal, not just "will I get in if I score a 26 in Science." Exceed the standard. Exceed expectations. Exceed what you think you can do.
     

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