Active Duty Chances

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  1. cadetjohnson

    cadetjohnson Member

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    So my Junior year is over and I'm LDAC bound. My questions is based off my stats posted below, how do I fair for AD?

    GPA - 3.55
    PT - 270/Fall and 276/Spring
    Program OML - 6 out of 17

    I've been to CULP and I'm pretty squared away on the extra curricular activities...

    Obviously I'm shooting for an E at camp, but if I don't get an E how would my chances be?
     
  2. Jcleppe

    Jcleppe Member

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    Based on last year your chances should be very good, as long as you get a S at LDAC, if you get an E you could even make DMG depending on how all the other cadets do. Of course there is no way of knowing how many they will take Active Duty this year. With your GPA, EC's and Battalion standing you should be in good shape. If Clarkson reads this he may give some better input.
     
  3. goaliedad

    goaliedad Parent

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    Agree.

    Being 6 out of 17 in your Bn OML is probably more indicative of where you will land on the National OML, unless your LDAC performance varies from your performance through years. Most Bn OMLs have many of the same components - GPA, PFT, athletics, observations at FTX lanes, land nav, etc.

    With a sample size of 17, you look likely above the median, but not in the top quartile. That ranking has always been safe for AD from historical experience.

    That being said, get yourself in top shape and keep your nose clean and trust in your training.
     
  4. Aglahad

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    You are getting AD even if you do terrible at LDAC. I saw a few cadets get AD this year who were absolutely abysmal.

    With a strong S I would put you between 25-50%
     
  5. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    Oh...I read it. My first response as usual is "what did your cadre tell you when you asked them?" You have as good a chance as anyone. Your PMS should sit down with you at the beginning of next semester. He will plug all your numbers into a program and tell you approximately where you will fall in the OML and what your chances are. Until she/he does that everything esle is just speculation. Next question is what will you do differently if we tell you you have no chance, or if we tell you that you are 100% guaranteed. I am continuously baffled why anyone would post their stats and ask the opinion of total strangers on a discussion board, even if they are nice, helpful total strangers. Do well at camp, and best of luck with the accessions process next fall. Hope you get AD.
     
  6. Marist College ROTC

    Marist College ROTC Member

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    The AVG GPA for FY 2013 AD Commissionees is 3.26.
     
  7. EDelahanty

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    Thanks for the info, Marist. Is other OML data on the FY 13 results for branching, DMG,. etc. publicly available?
     
  8. mbitr

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    I've seen an up to date accessions brief at my school, but haven't seen it anywhere else. The thing that stuck out in my mind was the cutoff being a few points higher and the number of forced RFD up noticeably. I can't remember the actual numbers.

    e: What are you looking to branch, anyway?
     
  9. EDelahanty

    EDelahanty Member

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    I look forward to seeing the FY 13 accessions brief. Although my comprehension of prior year versions has been dim, the mix of colors, numbers, lines, bar charts and acronyms is always stimulating.

    Cadet Delahanty is aiming for Active Duty - Infantry. Like you, he will soon be enjoying the pellucid blue summer skies of Joint Base Lewis-McChord.
     
  10. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    Really Parent Delahanty? Really? :smile:
    Well, I thought I'd save others the trip:
    Your last sentence was definitely not pellucid.
     
  11. EDelahanty

    EDelahanty Member

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    "The bluest skies you've ever seen are near Joint Base Lewis-McChord...in Seattle"

    - slightly modified lyric of Perry Como song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTkDE_AkZ5Y
     
  12. goaliedad

    goaliedad Parent

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    Potential reasons:
    1) Lack of confidence. Clearly this cadet got some counseling by cadre because s/he knows rank within class. Looking for what can go wrong.
    2) Looking for a pat on the back. Not sure why because 6/17 isn't going to get a pat on the back.
    3) Not willing to ask cadre the tough question.

    PMS will be having 1-on-1s this week with MS3s in my DD's Bn. He will be retiring this summer, so she will pretty much know where she stands (minus LDAC scores). She's done her research and knows the branching decision process (including DABM) from her own research. Should know her branch choice order by the end of CTLT.

    I too am puzzled why someone who is curious about the process hasn't either taken the initiative to ask or done independent research. Doesn't bother me to give my relatively uninformed opinion. I also offer a money-back guarantee on my opinion. Warm and fuzzies are still free though.

    Thanks for thinking of us as "nice" strangers. We try hard.
     
  13. mbitr

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    He's probably just looking for a second opinion to reinforce what his cadre told him. Nothing really odd about that.
     
  14. Aglahad

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    It's not odd for the current job climate. I have met so many MSIII cadets that are so desperate for AD that they are looking for any affirmation available. Many of them majored in areas that aren't too hot in the job market right now and I can see where their trepidation comes from.

    My surprise mainly originates from their lack of confidence in themselves to make it in the civilian world (if forced branched). It almost seems like AD is a crutch or job handout to become successful and make steady pay rather than an actual career aspiration. I mean 99% of the US (real rough figure), gets by somehow and getting forced branched isn't the end of the world.

    As an aside there also seems to be some confusing regarding OML and future success as an officer (at least in my batt). I have seen complete dirtbags in the top of then OML and new LTs in the bottom of AD who I believe will make excellent officers. OML is just a tool for accessions, nothing else.
     
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  15. Nick0726

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    Even if you majored in something with no job prospects, I've heard of people just being "Guard bums" and almost being active duty!
     
  16. -Bull-

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    If they are surviving on a drill check for a whole month, they probably are living like a bum.

    Now if you're talking about the AGR folks, that's a different story.
     
  17. goaliedad

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    The big difference between ROTC OML and AD OML is plugging in job performance for GPA. GPA is a function of the individual's efforts in classes of his/her choice. Job performance is a function of how well an officer works with and motivates those around him/her in addition to his/her own skills and effort. And this is in a job not of one's choosing (even within the branch of choice with ADSO).

    The dirtbags will struggle more when presented with jobs they don't like and people they struggle working with. Not a perfect washout, but over time, it improves, unless of course you work with/for a bunch of dirtbags (it happens). The good news is that will only last 3 years or so...
     
  18. khergan

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    As others said, it's kind of a moot point because what we say will have no effect on whether you go AD or not, just your effort.

    That being said, with your stats, you should be fine unless you get an N at camp.
     
  19. MemberLG

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    Guard bum could also mean picking up active duty days. Can be hired as a project officer for say 60 days or volunteered to attend a school and so on.
     
  20. -Bull-

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    Yea, I know that, I was mainly just toying around with his wording. An emoji probably would've helped.
     

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