actual number of qualified candidates

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  1. Prepswimmom

    Prepswimmom Member

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    Does anyone know what the actual number of 3Q with nomination is for USNA? So many applicants start out but how many can the board actually choose from? Any help would be appreciated as DS is anxiously awaiting BFE.
     
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    According to the the Class of 2017 Class Profile for USNA, about 2,000 are found to be qualified academically, medically and physically and have obtained a nomination. Around 1,500 will receive offers of appointment, and 1,200 will enter the new class.
     
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    Prepswimmom Member

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    Thank you! Maybe I can breath just a little!:shake:
     
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    Haha! Soon....soon....soon we all will know! Hey, it's only two more months!
    I'm right there with ya!
     
  5. bubalma

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    andzgrl:

    Could you please post a link to the 2017 class profile/portrait you referenced that states there were approximately 2,000 3Q's with nominations in the final pool for Class of 2017 appointments?
    I can't see anything referencing the size of the final pool in the Admission Department's on-line 2017 Class Portrait/Profile.
    The historical numbers I have always been given to understand are correct reference a final pool of somewhere in the 4,500 - 5,000 3Q range for approximately 1,500 offers of appointment.
     
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    I apologize for misquoting the source of my information. I'm glad you pointed that out. Thank you!

    I was looking at the Class Profile today AND the USNA Admissions- Steps for Admissions. The information I referred was actually from the USNA Admissions page.

    "Approximately 2,000 candidates are found fully qualified (scholastic, medical, CFA, and have obtained a nomination) each year. Of that number, about 1,500 will receive appointments and approximately 1,200 become midshipmen. Most candidates will be notified of their final status by April 15."

    http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/Steps-for-Admission/index.php
    Section 10
     
  7. bubalma

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    andzgrl:

    Good stuff; and from the Academy's own website!
    Now, it would be nice to see some comments from the BGO's and AC's who have been posting the 4,500 - 5,000 figure not only this year but other years as well.
    Really interested in their comments as their figures fly in the face of the Academy's own published number.
     
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    Yes!!
    I have also seen those numbers you mentioned, but I can't help to think that the USNA posted numbers are the better answer.
     
  9. bubalma

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    andzgrl:

    Gosh, you'd certainly think so.
    Still would like to see some comments from BGO's or AC's since some of them have mentioned the 4,500 - 5,000 number so often in the past.
     
  10. NavyGenerationSkip

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    I'm not a BGO or anything, just a parent, but I believe from what I've read/researched that the 4000-5000-6000 figures are roughly how many nominations are given out in total each year. Many of those nominations are given to people who never actually achieve 3Q status. Nominated + 3Q'ed = 2000 (approx.)

    Suffice to say that if you/your DD or DS are nominated and passed the physical, CFA and are very strong academically, you are still standing in the 2000 group. 20,000 are now pursuing other options. I am trying to keep my DS focused on scholarship possibilities at his other 2 college choices while we wait anxiously on word from the academy. This has been a ride for all the seniors trying to become midshipmen. Best wishes to all.
     
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    Makes sense. 535 MOCs x 10 = ?
     
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    More data supporting the '2,000 3Q' number; source is via the following link:

    http://www.usna.edu/AboutAIS/Appointments.html

    "From a pool of 10,000 applicants, 8600 will become candidates. From those candidates, the Admissions Board historically identifies about 3000 candidates as scholastically qualified. Then from those candidates, about 2000 candidates are determined to be medically qualified and have received a nomination. About 1500 will receive an offer of appointment and about 1200 to 1300 will be admitted to the incoming class."
     
  13. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    Not to throw rain on the parade, but the numbers are a bit more complicated. Each year, about 300 slots are given to NAPS/Foundation students. Because these individuals are essentially guaranteed an appointment if they are fully qualified and want one, the remaining ~1700 fully qualified applicants with a nom are competing for ~900 spots. So, the odds are closer to 50/50.

    To further complicate things, ~800 slots are set before USNA looks at the national pool. This comes from the ~540 MOCs (including reps from DC, Guam, PR, etc) X 1.25 (remember, each can have up to 5 mids at USNA at a time which means once every 4 years, they'll have 2). This equals ~675 -- although that number can fluctuate because some MOCs have no qualified nominees in some/all years and/or the "5th mid" for each isn't evenly spaced out. Add in another 100 Presidential nominees and an additional 25 for "others" (e.g., direct from the fleet, ROTC noms) and you're pretty close to 800 slots taken before USNA looks at the national pool. There are now ~900 candidates (1700 less the 800 who now have appointments) competing for another 100 slots (900 available less 800 appointees).

    The above numbers above are APPROXIMATE and could EASILY vary a bit from year to year so this is not set in stone. It's intended to explain that the system is a bit more complicated that simply looking at 2000 candidates vs. 1200 slots. I would also note that USNA actually extends somewhat more offers than slots b/c some will decline their offers; the above is based on the 1200 who are admitted (vs. the 1500 appointments tendered) so the odds are actually a bit better when you add in the extra appointments that are extended to get the expected "yield."

    The end result is that competition in the national pool is quite fierce and, in the end, there are MANY TERRIFIC candidates who simply lose out to too few slots.
     
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    Best explanation yet.
     
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    This has been quite the ride indeed. My DS has never wanted anything more in his 17 years than to be at I Day on July1. We keep praying….and hoping….and waiting….BFE where are you? Thank you all for the clarification on stats. It is much appreciated.
     
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    I understand your pain in the waiting process prepswimmom! My DD was in the same boat last year. We were told it was basically about a 50/50 chance once nomination was obtained. We also encouraged back-up plans and then just prayed! When DD received phone call from MOC that she was receiving an appt. It was just the beginning of an amazing year so far. She is a very happy plebe! I hope your DS gets the same experience. best of luck and hang in there!
     
  17. kayaker

    kayaker Mother of USNA Midshipman (Class of 2019)

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    Thank you usna1985 for the best explanation of the numbers I've seen. Like you, prepswimmom, we are waiting for DS to hear from USNA. The mailman can't come soon enough every day.
     
  18. andzgrl

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    Yes, thank you also! I don't know whether to be happy or sad, or even more stressed out.....but....I am the type of person who needs to know and understand. So thanks!

    And like you other ladies.....I'm waiting here too.....waiting and waiting and waiting...:yllol:
     
  19. navymomwannabe

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    I am trying to prep for an April envelope....just so I don't make myself nuts between now and then waiting for news for my DS.

    No, I'm not sure I'm doing a very good job at it...but I'm TRYING to be patient!
     
  20. Prepswimmom

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    My sons guidance counselor called USNA today and even though his application has been in since September (he started working on it the day he returned from Summer Seminar in June) he was told it has not even been reviewed yet! UGH….I suppose it has been at least preliminarily reviewed??:unhappy:
     

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