Adjustments to Accessions Points?

Future LT right there :yllol:

this guy been in the Army 6 months as a LT with no deployments and thinks he knows everything. Got it I read it fast and responded on my mobile to a serious topic that wasn't asking for "funny responses" come at me when you get 2 combat deployments and over 6 years TIS guy you always have smart ass comments on everything.
 
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Like someone said earlier, it's all on a relative scale. If everyone's score went down by 10, then nobody lost any ground. Now, if your score went down by 10 and others went down by only 5, yeah, I'd start to get worried a little bit.

In any case, your points have been earned and submitted to the board. Nothing you can do about it now, so just hope for the best and trust that Cadet Command will be fair in their branching process.

Best of luck to all of you.
 
this guy been in the Army 6 months as a LT with no deployments and thinks he knows everything. Got it I read it fast and responded on my mobile to a serious topic that wasn't asking for "funny responses" come at me when you get 2 combat deployments and over 6 years TIS guy you always have smart ass comments on everything.

I think your question has been answered the best anyone can right now without more information.

The part that matters in your post is "LT", he is one, your not one yet. This won't be the first time someone that out ranks you will poke fun, and it won't be the last. Take it from someone that was enlisted before commissioning, leading with "Come at me when you get 2 combat deployments and over 6 years TIS" will not do you any favors. Fact is, you were enlisted, your not anymore and you'll be starting at the bottom again. You ever see this guy in person, it would be best to add a "Sir" at the end of that statement. Truth is, most of your superiors will not have had prior enlistment, talk about it if it comes up but don't bring it up as a way to make yourself seem more knowledgable, trust me it will backfire every time. My prior enlistment time hardly ever came up and certainly not when a superior officer made a comment I didn't like. Those that matter will know when ever you wear your ASU's.
 
I went down 10 points as well from a 93 to an 83. Everyone's points went down, some more than others from what I was told today but 10 points was the largest decrease possible...
 
I went down 10 points as well from a 93 to an 83. Everyone's points went down, some more than others from what I was told today but 10 points was the largest decrease possible...

Did they give you any reason for the drop in points or how they determined who went down 10 and who went down less then 10.

One other question, I assume all cadets have already submitted their branch choices. This reduction in points would have been nice to know before branch selection, it may have made a big difference which branches cadets selected. I really feel for you all, being the first group to go through the new accessions program. Best of luck to you all. Now I guess you just have to wait and see if they actually release the information on Nov. 12th, if it follows history at all.....it will probably be sometime after that date.
 
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Did they give you any reason for the drop in points or how they determined who went down 10 and who went down less then 10

Curious about this too. An across the board 10 point cut doesn't make sense unless they made some kind of adjustment to the rating system. Otherwise, the max score would be what, 92?
 
I really feel for you all, being the first group to go through the new accessions program. Best of luck to you all. Now I guess you just have to wait and see if they actually release the information on Nov. 12th, if it follows history at all.....it will probably be sometime after that date.
Please forgive me if I somehow missed this, but did accessions actually change? Or are we still just speculating this?
 
Please forgive me if I somehow missed this, but did accessions actually change? Or are we still just speculating this?

Even if it did, with a overall decrease in points, it will still be relative to the normal distribution curve. Which, assuming that Cadet Command follows the same methodology, will pick the top ~3000 cadets for Active Duty. So even if everyone went down, it won't change your overall standing. The cutoff line is arbitrary and represents the overall performance of cadets who made AD.

So, long story short, I wouldn't worry about it.
 
this guy been in the Army 6 months as a LT with no deployments and thinks he knows everything. Got it I read it fast and responded on my mobile to a serious topic that wasn't asking for "funny responses" come at me when you get 2 combat deployments and over 6 years TIS guy you always have smart ass comments on everything.

Woah cool your jets it wasn't a personal attack, if you can't take a joke after having 6 years TIS then I am at a loss for words. As for the content of my posts I don't even bother posting if I don't know what I am taking about or have a grasp on what I am exactly responding too.

I don't know what the significance of two deployments or 6 years of TIS has on 90% of the posts on here since most are general info that anyone with google can figure out but I'll give the overall experience award to you if it makes you feel better.

It's actually almost a year ;)
 
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Leadership outside the Corps and Accessions points?

DS mentioned that you get more accessions points for extra-curricular activities that are not military-related than you do for military-related ones. But that doesn't sound right to me. Does that sound right to you?

For example, if you're in a ROTC specialty group, and you're a leader in the group by the time you're an MSIII, would you get more points for that extra-curricular corps leadership position than you would if you were an MSIII who was a member of a campus fraternity (but not an officer of the frat).

Just trying to wrap my brain around accessions a little bit. I feel for you guys stressing out about the 10-point drop.
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DS mentioned that you get more accessions points for extra-curricular activities that are not military-related than you do for military-related ones. But that doesn't sound right to me. Does that sound right to you?

For example, if you're in a ROTC specialty group, and you're a leader in the group by the time you're an MSIII, would you get more points for that extra-curricular corps leadership position than you would if you were an MSIII who was a member of a campus fraternity (but not an officer of the frat).

Just trying to wrap my brain around accessions a little bit. I feel for you guys stressing out about the 10-point drop.
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I'll assume your DS is correct and give you my surmise which is based on years of knowing nothing at all. :rolleyes: My guess would be that they expect you to show leadership in the military world and doing so is worth some points. But also, demonstrating leadership in the civilian world is more rare (at least for ROTC cadets) and is therefore worth more. Not because they don't have the ability to show civil leadership, but that many do not take or create the opportunity to do so. Guess it's to encourage folks to show civil leadership as well. But like I implied, consider what the surmise is based on.
 
I'll assume your DS is correct and give you my surmise which is based on years of knowing nothing at all. :rolleyes: My guess would be that they expect you to show leadership in the military world and doing so is worth some points. But also, demonstrating leadership in the civilian world is more rare (at least for ROTC cadets) and is therefore worth more. Not because they don't have the ability to show civil leadership, but that many do not take or create the opportunity to do so. Guess it's to encourage folks to show civil leadership as well. But like I implied, consider what the surmise is based on.

Right. I can see how an EC civilian leadership role might be more points than a military EC leadership role, but what if you're in the frat, but not an officer? Seems to me the goal of any non-military extra-curricular would have to eventually include a leadership position or else it's not good use of your "free" time if the underlying goal of using your free time wisely is to max possible accessions points.

So if being in a frat pulls you away from time in military leadership roles, then don't do the frat? Or find a civilian cause that's got more... purpose? Like volunteering in the local firehouse? Or joining a campus organization with a community service goal, like Habitat for Humanity? I think that's my question.
 
this guy been in the Army 6 months as a LT with no deployments and thinks he knows everything. Got it I read it fast and responded on my mobile to a serious topic that wasn't asking for "funny responses" come at me when you get 2 combat deployments and over 6 years TIS guy you always have smart ass comments on everything.

The trick is to respond in a humerous way. Be careful with writing things on the internet, especially when mad, sometimes they come back at you.
 
A lot of I dont knows on this. Remember for a lot of you the main goal right now is graduating on time. Keep the focus on that. If you all stress out on this you may forget to finish college strong. Soon enough you will all be provided the answers.

Good Luck
 
I'll assume your DS is correct and give you my surmise which is based on years of knowing nothing at all. :rolleyes: My guess would be that they expect you to show leadership in the military world and doing so is worth some points. But also, demonstrating leadership in the civilian world is more rare (at least for ROTC cadets) and is therefore worth more. Not because they don't have the ability to show civil leadership, but that many do not take or create the opportunity to do so. Guess it's to encourage folks to show civil leadership as well. But like I implied, consider what the surmise is based on.

So accession points are given for community and service activities from fraternity? Just found out DS is pledging PIKES. My DS MS1 is already so concerned about OML since bombing a physics midterm. I told him he needs to talk to his ROTC advisor.He's already participating in all possible AROTC battalion opportunities.
 
So accession points are given for community and service activities from fraternity? Just found out DS is pledging PIKES. My DS MS1 is already so concerned about OML since bombing a physics midterm. I told him he needs to talk to his ROTC advisor.He's already participating in all possible AROTC battalion opportunities.

Honestly, if my cadet "bombed a physics midterm," I'd be encouraging him to drop all EC activities immediately, get a tutor, and bring that grade up as high as humanly possible by term's end. Grades count WAY more than any extra-curricular activity. I mean, if his overall goal is commissioning AD, then grades really have to be the main focus. What is it? Something like 40% of the accessions points? The average AD commissioning GPA was something like 3.4 last year? And the average of the top 10% was something like 3.7 -- and it's those guys who got their first choice? Do I have this about right? (Doing these numbers from memory. Pretty sure I don't have it exactly right.)
 
Surprising but academics seems to be the focus of this fraternity. Benefits include tutoring . He chose to pledge there because of the high Gpa AROTC and ROTC role models. Academics is his priority.
 
Did they give you any reason for the drop in points or how they determined who went down 10 and who went down less then 10.

One other question, I assume all cadets have already submitted their branch choices. This reduction in points would have been nice to know before branch selection, it may have made a big difference which branches cadets selected. I really feel for you all, being the first group to go through the new accessions program. Best of luck to you all. Now I guess you just have to wait and see if they actually release the information on Nov. 12th, if it follows history at all.....it will probably be sometime after that date.

Honestly, if my cadet "bombed a physics midterm," I'd be encouraging him to drop all EC activities immediately, get a tutor, and bring that grade up as high as humanly possible by term's end. Grades count WAY more than any extra-curricular activity. I mean, if his overall goal is commissioning AD, then grades really have to be the main focus. What is it? Something like 40% of the accessions points? The average AD commissioning GPA was something like 3.4 last year? And the average of the top 10% was something like 3.7 -- and it's those guys who got their first choice? Do I have this about right? (Doing these numbers from memory. Pretty sure I don't have it exactly right.)

The average GPA on the national OML was a 3.17. I don't know what the average was for just the AD OML, but the average OMS was around 79 on the national OML. The cutoff was 75.something.
 
Surprising but academics seems to be the focus of this fraternity. Benefits include tutoring . He chose to pledge there because of the high Gpa AROTC and ROTC role models. Academics is his priority.

Hey, let's call out for pizza and coke and have us a study party this Saturday night! :biggrin:
Who knew?
And good for him! :thumb: (unless that's just what they tell the parents :rolleyes:)
 
As the Guys and Gals are told by their unit, "You are a student First – academics matter the most". Joining the wrong Frat cost a cadet his 4 year AROTC scholarship on his first week at my DS's school this year, he was the only 4 year awarded for 2013-14. Their GPA score will have the biggest impact on the OML, a factor only they can control. My DS has survived three years at school without joining a frat, he has witnessed many that joined and have fallen by the wayside, and they now swim against the tide for good grades.
 
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