Administration to Dismantle U.S. Merchant Marine?

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Originally Posted by tankercaptain
A new grad who gets the training for DP can get a job starting out at $110,000 a year working one month on and one month off. Within two years upgrade to second mate and Sr. DPO and make $165,000 year and by the time they are 30 be an OIM making $220,000.
Or an engineer getting a job as a subsea engineer sailing on a drillship and with in 5 years be making $250,000 a year working one month on and one month off. Kings Point should be on the forefront of this.


This is from a thread last year.

I was waiting for someone to bring up the free education and the "obligation".

KPcrew, I would ask you to poll the crowd of recent grads about their Reserve obligation. How tough is it to meet that working one month on and one month off?

My advice to all USMMA grads is to be as quiet as possible about the deal you're getting. I don't doubt your courage, integrity, intellect or competence. Simply, that someone: you, Schlumberger, Dry Ships, Halliburton should to be paying for at least some of the cost of KP. After all They are the benefitiaries, not the shippers of the tiny amount of PL-480 grain going to indigent nations.
 
Though our son has not graduated, we have information from speaking with former grads regarding working and the Naval Reserve obligation required.

A person can work 1 month on and 1 off, or whatever combination the company for whom they are working requires. Naval Reserves are for 2 wks per year. As to when the NR requirement if fulfilled, I believe that depends on when the Navy Reserve calls it. Howr grads get that info is not in my "knowledge book" right now. Perhaps some of the "wise ones" as I call them, can chime in on that:shake: I know it is quite doable.
 
Perhaps Moms and Dads should also not talk about the deal KP mids are getting.

This is the most amazing financial arrangement I have ever heard of.
 
Though our son has not graduated, we have information from speaking with former grads regarding working and the Naval Reserve obligation required.

A person can work 1 month on and 1 off, or whatever combination the company for whom they are working requires. Naval Reserves are for 2 wks per year. As to when the NR requirement if fulfilled, I believe that depends on when the Navy Reserve calls it. Howr grads get that info is not in my "knowledge book" right now. Perhaps some of the "wise ones" as I call them, can chime in on that:shake: I know it is quite doable.
The member has for the most part the freedom to determine when in the year to do their Active Duty for Training (ADT) depending on what they are doing that particular year. Some years it is a class or maybe an exercise and in that case obviously you are a little bit more subject to the Navy's schedule.

Pet peeve alert ... NAVY, NAVY, NAVY!!! It is Navy Reserve, not Naval Reserve. The term Naval means you are speaking of the USN and USMC together. The Naval Service, Naval Aviator, etc.
 
Perhaps Moms and Dads should also not talk about the deal KP mids are getting.

This is the most amazing financial arrangement I have ever heard of.
Its no secret and it never has been. It is also no where near the most amazing financial arrangement involving the federal government.
 
Yes, this is the most amazing financing of college anyone has ever heard of,but it's not to be taken lightly.

If a family cannot afford college, and they have a son or daughter who has the heart for service, the inclination for all things "sea", this is the best thing that could happen to them. Therefore, I see no reason to not talk about it.

With the way the economy is I know for a fact more HS seniors are applying to the academies. It goes beyond that though.

Truly, I say to you, much is expected from the Plebe Candidates and Midshipmen. Those who don't understand or care to understand how to make it through the hardest academy from which to graduate, will not make it.

A huge helping of "humble pie" is always in order.

Egos and arrogance need to be left at the main entrance of KP on Zero Day. Staying in and graduating from KP is about consolidating the intelligence, drive, and collaboration of the entering class.

Time management, time management, time management, asking for help immediately when concepts are not understood (repeat last phrase 2 more times), a quirky sense of humor, listening to the wisdom given to you, and remembering the inner drive that got you there in the first place is what will get you through the lack of sleep, the desire to give up, the home sickness,etc.

Keep your eye on the prize. It's worth it. :thumb:
 
Its no secret and it never has been. It is also no where near the most amazing financial arrangement involving the federal government.

Let me know a better deal on a per capita basis.

No tuition or room and board? Walk into a $100k+ job? That's a lot of food stamps.
 
cb7892: USMMA grads that do not elect to go AD have a concurrent service obligation. Out of necessity, the unique duty chart worked by those at sea in the maritime industry must be taken into consideration by the USNR SSOP when scheduling its member's military service obligations. The USNR makes it "doable." I can not speak for those grads who have exercised their option to join another branch of the reserves, nor am I inclined to conduct any polls.

In regards to your other observations, the bottom line is that licensed merchant marine officers are sorely needed and compensated accordingly. The government is correctly practicing diligence to ensure licensed mariners are readily available and obligated to our country, should the economic, humanitarian, or defensive needs of our nation require their service. The question of funding has been the subject of scrutiny; the results being that Congress and the Executive Branch continue the financial support of Kings Point as well as subsidies for the State Maritime Colleges.

I will join you in calling into question some programs funded by the government, however sustaining support for KP and the State Maritime Colleges has obviously passed the smell test by those tasked with examining the need for such expenditures. Evidently they continue to find that the ROI persistently outweighs any possible alternatives.
 
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Thank you KPEngineer!!! I forever learn from you...what wit...what wisdom...what humor.....Navy Reserve, not Naval! I will remember.:wiggle:
 
Thas has to now be the worst thread ever on his forum

Let me know a better deal on a per capita basis.

No tuition or room and board? Walk into a $100k+ job? That's a lot of food stamps.

How about an four year NROTC Scholarship used at University of Pennsylvania - an Ivy League School or George Washington University a highly respected private school with 45+K/ year tuition? For a five year program like architecture and then the reciepient opts to satisfy their obligation in a minimal duration fashion? BTW what is your child planning to do after they graduate from whereever they are going on their NROTC scholarship?

Why the anger in your tone? Do you feel that USMMA is that much of better deal than your child is getting? You also seem to have some clear misunderstandings or lack of appreciation for the obligation USMMA grads accept for their "great deals." No reason to go through all that in this reply the challenges of USMMA and life as a merchant marinier post graduation are well described in posts elsewhere here for prospective candidates who have asked questions about like after graduation - it's not all 100+K/year jobs though that's what you've apparently chosen to focus one

You don't think there are many USNA, USCGA, USAFA, USMA or ROTC Scholarship recipients who graduate, serve their minimum commitment and ten with 5 or more years of experience go out and land high paying jobs with no college loans to repay? If so I beg to differ. Further I guess you don't think that many who are struggling to put themselves or their children through college and borrowing 100K or more aren't agreeing to pay those loans back for periods significantly longer that a 5 year AD obligation and they might have the same issues you appear to have with USMMA with all those other options including the one your child is availing themself of?

Your posts on this thread don't seem to indicate a clear understanding that these high paying jobs you allude to are not all that readily available and you usually don't and can't just walk out of either USMMA or any of the State Maritime Academies with an Unlimited Third Mate's Lisence and a full DPO (Dynamic Positioning Officer) full certification on a full sized rig or vessel that pays at the level tankercaptain posted. You usually have to pay your dues on smaller less capapable DP vessels as well as go to two courses in simulators that someone - either you, your employer, or your union - who then imposes another obligaton on you pays for.

Finally why the attacks on posters participating in the discussion in a respectful manner that continues the discussion - perhaps you, like I, wonder why this thread is on the USMMA Forum vice the Off Topic or Military/Acadmy News Forums. But given from what I can tell in your profile and other posts here why attack/address people on this forum anonymously in a manner I doubt you would do so if we were all debating these things in a room together? Did either kpcrew or kp2013dramamamma attack you here or elsewher on the forum? We in the USMMA community get it - you think we got a great deal, are skating at your and every other taxpayers expense, and do not believe their is any reason for the school; further it's clear because of that you don't respect us as people, etc. However, please, when your child graduates and particpates in an action or excercise somewhere around the globe outside the CONUS, Canada or Alaska - ask them how over 90% of the stuff they needed and used got to where they needed and who made sure it got there.

As for the continued devils advocate questions that LITS posted and clarified in post # 33 above okay I play even though it's ill considered mental masterbation, IMO to play devils advocate simply for fun rather than to prepare for some real debate, etc that really matters.

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Here's a question I'm not sure you'd want to answer. If the U.S. Merchant Marine ceased to exist tomorrow, how would the every-day American feel it? Would they? Would prices go up or down? That's the question that I'm interested in.

In most instances the every day American wouldn't see it - one of the issues for the industry as a whole is that so much of our trade is in "foriegn bottoms" they don't know or unerstand the reasons or benefits of a US Flag or Jones Act Trade. Perhaps though I doubt it prices of some and only some items in a place like HI might drop a single percent though I doubt it. Transportaton rates are driven by global competion on everything else produce shipped here from South America area already fully competatively priced. Jones Act trade oil shipments already have been affected competatively by ITBs, etc when new vessels compliant with the post "Exxon Valdez" regualtions drove the retirement of older vessel, etc. Further despite all the rhetoric immediately after Sandy, the cost "at the pump" of transportation - via ANY mode - is a pittance compared to Federal (let alon State and/or Local) taxes on a gallon of gas... Of course you realize what I'm saying is that IN MY View and based on the data I've seen the whole cost argument and impact to consumer argument is bologna made up by those who want the Jones Act repealled for their own reasons and agendas so they try and inflame emotions about something the general public might care about while a debate on relativel arcane and boring policy is ignored or better avoided altogether.


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Here's the question though. In the unlikely event this actually did happen, what would change for the U.S.?

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Make the case. Why shouldn't the U.S. Merchant Marine be "broken up?" What do we lose and gain?

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That's not the important question. The important one is.... why have a Merchant Marine. "It's old" doesn't cut it.

Ignoring the fact that as has been pointed out by others but somehow not understood and accepted by LITS so far - the U.S. Merchant Marine and the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy are NOT Synonyms for the same thing. The USMMA is a our nation's Federal Maritime Service Academy and sadly actions could be taken by the Legislative Branch of our governmet to cause it to cease to exisit though I suspect that wouldn't or couldn't happen overnight as USMMA does have its proponents and supporters - with their own good reasons, thankfully. The US Flag Merchant Marine is an industry and also could not cease to exist without three things to occur: 1) the total erosion of ANY business case to support flagging ships or commercial vessels over1500GT under the US Flag (hard for me to see how this would happen anytime soon even given my agreement that USCG regulation (particularly manning levels) as well as Sarbanes - Oxely and it's impact on GAAP and US Tax laws and their treatment of capital investment and depreciation of assets) ALL contribute to higher operating costs that many other nations. Contrary to the generally uninformed opinions that it's salary and wage differences - there are several flags such as Scandanavian Flags - which do just fine thank yo and have high or higher salaries than US Officers after taxes.

But if it did so, given we are an island and maritime nation - despite the fact our island spans cost to coast acsross the NA continent thanks to "manifest destiny" - we'd be a less safe and secure nation - I'll hark back to the views of Alfred Mahan on Seapower wherein Mahan explicitly stated and indicated that that national greatness was inextricably associated with the sea, with its commercial usage in peace and its control in war. To fully exploit that commercial usage and control it "in peace and war" - the motto of the U.S. Merchant Marine (vice Acta Non Verba - the Motto of USMMA) a nation is best served by having some reasonable merchant fleet (or merchant navy) under it's own "full" flag vice vessels under a "national flag concept" or "Flags of convienience" because those vessels are fully manned by loyal US Citizens and a large % can be taken control and directed by the military in time of need because of the US DoD's VISA SSP programs many participate in. FYI there are similar programs that air cargo carriers (FedEx, etc.) particpate in with portions of their fleets before anyone tinksthis is just some sort of handout without proven military utility and a historical track record for just the inefficient US flag maritime industry. Also, Maritime is the least expensive mode other depending on cargo, etc. so my comment about "inefficient" was preemptive sarcasm for any who think that just because the majority of the US Maritime Industry is unionized it is blatently expensive or inefficient.

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Maybe what we're asking here is, is doing away with Kings Point the only way the federal government (not states) can "break up" the merchant marine?

There is little relevance or validity to the question. As I stated above they are not synonyms and doing away USMMA or signicantly expanding Federal support of USMMA will not immediately impact the state of the US Merchant Marine significantly in any immediate fashion. Over the long term there are issues that would adversely affect the status of the industry but they are not first order relationships or effects. There are many, many other things the US Government could do tht would have first order effects. I prefer to think in the positive so some things the Federal Government could do that would greatly help the US Maritime Industry and US Flag Merchant Marine: 1)adopt a set of flags and regualtions that favor a US Flag and US National Flag vice Flags of Convinience in a fashion similar to Denmark vice what we have today for example. etc. 2) Idiots like Senator McCain could ensure they and their key staffers really understand maritime policy and what the Jones Act does and doesn't do vice just taking special interest group money and hoping on those interest group's bandwagons to call for the repeal of the Jones Act without the concurrent enactment of more modern, useful legislation that accounts for the realities of today's global economy, etc.

Now I think I'll wander over to the USCGA Forum and post athread asking how can our nation's smallest service have and hope to competently execute not one,not two, not seven but eleven missions including several, including MSO that is in many other nations outsourced successfully to national regulatory bodies and independant registry companies, hope to preform those eleven missions copentently let alone remain relevant in today's reality of constrained costs and why would anyone think that training people and having them be deck apes for 6-8 weeks on a sailing ship prepares them to command modern warships of 70+ meters... :wink:
 
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Jasper, there is no attack, no anger, no disrespect. I read "The Influence of Sea Power Upon History". I love to sail. I love the ocean. I get and support diversion of Military assets away from ground forces to naval forces. I wish my DS's shared my love.

I get and support subsidizing a US flagged fleet.

I have one DS in AROTC and a second waiting for a waiver for an NROTC scholarship. God willing DS #2 will get it and the Army and Navy will own their asses for 5 years. Fixed wing pilots owe more years that that. They don't have a choice. Personally I think their deal is very sweet and they should feel grateful.

I'm not asking KP to change a thing about the way they recruit, teach, or charge Mids. I'm not asking for a change in the obligation. All I am asking is DOT, Commerce, DOE to collect:

$1/container or automobile
10 cents/barrel petroleum or product
10 cents/tn dry bulk(we'll even make it a long ton)
$1/cruise passenger on a ship which docks in the US
$100/day per drilling, dredging, exploration in us waters
comparable charges for inland freight

from the industries which benefit from the highly specific skill set training which the USMMA produces. If the product weren't good, they wouldn't be paying them so much money.

For the expressed purpose of maintaining the premier maritime university on the planet. And maybe it can get off the top 10 list of colleges with the worse food. The supreme maritime nation deserves no less.
 
Time management, time management, time management, asking for help immediately when concepts are not understood (repeat last phrase 2 more times), a quirky sense of humor, listening to the wisdom given to you, and remembering the inner drive that got you there in the first place is what will get you through the lack of sleep, the desire to give up, the home sickness,etc.

Keep your eye on the prize. It's worth it. :thumb:

A bit of subversiveness and a strong liver help, too. . . but I digress. . .
 
Now I think I'll wander over to the USCGA Forum and post athread asking how can our nation's smallest service have and hope to competently execute not one,not two, not seven but eleven missions including several, including MSO that is in many other nations outsourced successfully to national regulatory bodies and independant registry companies, hope to preform those eleven missions copentently let alone remain relevant in today's reality of constrained costs and why would anyone think that training people and having them be deck apes for 6-8 weeks on a sailing ship prepares them to command modern warships of 70+ meters... :wink:

No need, as I can answer that here :wink:

From everything that we've been told as current cadets our focus should be changing from the "eleven statutory missions" mindset to the fact that if water/the sea touches something, we're going to be involved with it somehow. The service does have a widespread of missions for its size, but then there are different types of people who cover different aspects of the overall maritime mission. i.e. there are marine inspectors to do a lot of the safety regulation compliance stuff and then there are cutterman who do much of the law enforcement out at sea...

As for remaining relevant to the constraining costs, Admiral Papp stated in his State of the Coast Guard Address that a reduction in Coast Guard funding means a reduction in Coast Guard missions for the public. It's no longer "do more with less", as that mindset has been draining our resources and adding more strain to the service for the past few decades (resulting in extremely aged cutters). Instead, it's more of a "you get what you pay for" ROI.

As for the EAGLE reference, many cadets would share the same sentiment as you, and would be happy if that ship disappeared :wink: Unfortunately, there is some value in putting budding maritime professionals on a training vessel and have them experience what generations upon generations of mariners have done in and out the past few centuries: sail by the wind.
 
From everything that we've been told as current cadets our focus should be changing from the "eleven statutory missions" mindset to the fact that if water/the sea touches something, we're going to be involved with it somehow.
Well that certainly clears things up. So I guess now we can disband the Department of the Navy, NOAA and the Army Corps of Engineers.

As if you could “focus” on “eleven statutory missions”, a mindset as wide-ranging and undefined as “if water/the sea touches something, we're going to be involved with it somehow” is even worse. There are some functions which the USCG is uniquely suited for and for does quite well. The rest should be moved to other Departments.
 
Well that certainly clears things up. So I guess now we can disband the Department of the Navy, NOAA and the Army Corps of Engineers.

As if you could “focus” on “eleven statutory missions”, a mindset as wide-ranging and undefined as “if water/the sea touches something, we're going to be involved with it somehow” is even worse. There are some functions which the USCG is uniquely suited for and for does quite well. The rest should be moved to other Departments.

I did say "involved with it somehow", and there is certainly enough evidence to back up that claim. Obviously we need the Department of the Navy, NOAA, and even the Army Corps of Engineers because they perform specific missions, and they perform them quite well. I don't think Coasties are qualified to storm a beach head like the Marines or a D-Day operation, but they're certainly the best people we have to coxswain the small boats to get the troops there (i.e. Normandy). And there are times (war times), where the Coast Guard is even in the Department of the Navy! The Coast Guard, like the USMC and USN, is a government agency, which falls under a Department.

As for NOAA, we're certainly not qualified to do all of the scientific research and GIS mapping that they do, but we maintain the aids to navigation (particularly weather buoys) that they have posted out all over the U.S. seaboard. And we even over see their Officer training here at the USCGA now. As I'm sure you are aware of, the NOAA Basic Officer's Course (BOC) moved from USMMA to USCGA as we are able to provide them a better training curriculum in leadership and seamanship than they were getting at USMMA. Nothing against that institution, but it helps when we already have an Officer Candidate School that can accommodate the NOAA folks. (And they spend a couple of weeks on EAGLE as well! Goes back to my earlier comment of the value of training vessels. In fact, both the CG and NOAA OC's are on the mighty barque right now...)

In all honesty it'd be nice if there was a Department of the Ocean in our government that held the USCG and NOAA and any other maritime agencies
 
I did say "involved with it somehow", and there is certainly enough evidence to back up that claim. Obviously we need the Department of the Navy, NOAA, and even the Army Corps of Engineers because they perform specific missions, and they perform them quite well. I don't think Coasties are qualified to storm a beach head like the Marines or a D-Day operation, but they're certainly the best people we have to coxswain the small boats to get the troops there (i.e. Normandy). And there are times (war times), where the Coast Guard is even in the Department of the Navy! The Coast Guard, like the USMC and USN, is a government agency, which falls under a Department.
I get all that but part of this thread has been that the USCG does not do an efficient job in one of its mission areas of regulating the Maritime Industry and that part of the reason for that is that it has 11 mission areas which frankly are not all that related to each other. To tell the next generation of leaders to not worry about the specifically defined, statutory mission areas in favor of something as "we'll be involved with it somehow" is laughable leadership assuming you can even call it leadership. Not exactly an inspiring strategic vision if you ask me and it certainly doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies that they will be an effective regulatory agency in the future. I have worked for the US Government and for one of the Foreign Flags and I can tell you there is little in the way of resemblence. One attracts owners who want to register their ships and one drives them away ... care to guess which is which.

As I'm sure you are aware of, the NOAA Basic Officer's Course (BOC) moved from USMMA to USCGA as we are able to provide them a better training curriculum in leadership and seamanship than they were getting at USMMA
Please cite the specific pros and cons of each location for the NOAA BOC that led you to reach this conclusion.
 
Jasper, ...

I get and support subsidizing a US flagged fleet. ...


I'm not asking KP to change a thing about the way they recruit, teach, or charge Mids. I'm not asking for a change in the obligation. All I am asking is DOT, Commerce, DOE to collect:

$1/container or automobile
10 cents/barrel petroleum or product
10 cents/tn dry bulk(we'll even make it a long ton)
$1/cruise passenger on a ship which docks in the US
$100/day per drilling, dredging, exploration in us waters
comparable charges for inland freight

from the industries which benefit from the highly specific skill set training which the USMMA produces. ...

For the expressed purpose of maintaining the premier maritime university on the planet. And maybe it can get off the top 10 list of colleges with the worse food. The supreme maritime nation deserves no less.

Well not surprisingly I couldn't disagree more with your ideas. To me your idea basically identifies and attempts to set an additional tax on the US Maritime Industry in particular and Transportation as a function and industry in general. Further the numbers of dollars your tax would generate would far outpace and exceed that required to, if I've got this correct:

"For the expressed purpose of maintaining the premier maritime university on the planet." even if the USMMA's budgets and costs were double current apropriations - I'd also guess we could also double or triple what MARAD funds and provides all the State Maritime Academies as well and still have a "grunch" of dollars left over. The amount of freight moved via the Marine Mode is staggering and as I read your suggestion the added fees and tax are not just on US Flagged Vessels but the cargo no matter how it comes through a US Port. That said think about how the following locations/ports would benefit from such an idea: Halifax, N.S.; Vancouver B.C.; as well as likely numerous Great Lakes Ports on the Canadian side of the border; the Bahammas and possibly Bermuda though setting up any large port operations there would likely be very difficult. How would you treat Puerto Rico - it's a US Terratory vice State as well as Guam with this tax.; etc.

Then there is your comment: "comparable charges for inland freight". I assume you are talking about cargo that transverses the Inland Estuaries particularly the Missisipi and the Missouri Rivers and tributaries. Adding taxes and fees there is very much counter to the current idea of encouraging additional use of those and other large Inland Marine Highways in an effor to get trcks off the road, reduce the wear and tear on several key interstates, and do so in a way that helps the overall Transportation isystem in the US address what is and continues to be a shortage of over the road CDL truckers. Personally I believe looking at those kinds of Marine Transport mechanisms in a vacum as a seperate mode and taxing, managing infrastructure investments and regulating it entirely seperately, etc from freight rail, and truck is wrong-headed and I am certainly not alone in that view. Transportation across the NA continent is now truly an intermodal, integrated system. You cannot push in one area without very quickly seeing a bulge pop out in the others and to me that means before doing anything like that policy-wice the intended and unitended questions will need a lot more thought and debate than an off the cuff response on this form by either of us.

As far as a tax of $100/day for drilling, dredging and exploration in US Waters my reaction is those are three entirely distinct activities and lumping them in a single pile as well as hitting them with awhat is a $250,000 - $300,000+ /year tax to each vessel that conducts such operations in US Waters makes no sense whatsoever. First, the owners of the rights to do thos operations already paid some US Government entity for the leases and/or rights to do so - if you think those fees and rights are being sold at too low a value that's a different issue but the Government already has a mechanism to "get it's cut" on those resources. If your goal is truly to be a very stringent environmentalist and make sure those waters are the last place on earth someone would look for resources at the depths our (US's) EEZ then those fees would likely at least come close to achieving that effect. So much for offshor oil etc. being a potential way to reduce dependance on foriegn oil. Forget about even being able to speciously entertain te discussion of the cost of anything like the Jones Act (I like that one though, just pointing it out.) Then there are the facts that exploration and drilling do at least at some point possibly result in revenue and wealth creation that is generally clearly attributable to a benificiary or beneficiaries. Of course taxing or passing new/additiona real costs to the folks generally in that group - Energy Companies - hasn't been something our Government (either party) has shown a keen willingness or great ability to do over the past 20 or so years. Then dredging - are we talking about ALL dredging in US Waters? If so, how much addtional money should the US Army Corps of Engineers put in it's new budget element for this fee one group of our Government will pass to another? Do you propose that USACE should now try and impose end user fees to the local port authroities whose harbors they maintain ingress and egress to? I could go on but I'm guessing that's not what you are thinking about. I'm guessing that you thinking about it as just another tax/fee to be passed to mainly rich folks with boats and waterfront property for the private drege operators who drege thir docks and channels into their private harbors and marinias - just another 500 - 10,000 that would get passed on to them in the price that private dredge operator charges. That then ignores that these operators do NOT generally require, employ or need Maratime (USMMA or State Academy) graduates to ply their trade. But hey it is the season to just sock i to the rich, especially for any sort of luxary they might have, because after all there aren't already sufficient taxes on them. I mean rich people still do indeed have planes, yachts and waterfront homes with docks, etc.

All that aside, my biggest issue with this additional tax is the US Maritime Industry already pays more than it's fair share of taxes in comparison to it's Foriegn Flagged coutnerparts, as do USCG Licensed Mariniers following graduation - especially compared to their Western European coutnerparts. I could go on about this a lot more but suffice it to say comparable nations (UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Italy, even Greece, etc) subsidize and or protect their own flags and the mariniers who staff their ships much more, in general, than is doen here in the US; and the taxes on their companies and working Mariniers are significantly lower on the whole than here in the US. It's no accident in this regard that A.P. Moeller-Maersk is roughly 1/4 of Denmark's GDP so while significant you might not want to include Denmark in the comparison but the other countries I mention also are much more supportative of their flags then the US, IMO.

I don't want to turn this into wether or not USMMA is properly funded - that's a whole nother thread. However lastly additional funding, regardless of source will not, in and of itself improve the food at Delano Hall. That's a competative Federal Procurement that is basically lowest bidder vice best value (even if the contract RFP says otherwise). To fix that in addition to possibly higher funding levels, then the RFP needs to change to include additional, more specific requiremetns (e.g. X choices/ meal, etc.) and if those requirements or they they specifically need to be raised; then the evaluation and award criteria needs to bereviewed and changed and lastly ongoing performance against the contract needs objective measures and the person managing and montioring that performance likely needs more flxibility to require the contactor to fix/improve things more easily and quicker than currently exists within the requirements of the contract/Statement of Work. Not everything is solely about money, in fact most things such as this are not solely about money in Federal Contracting.

Personally, I lived through mediocre Delano Food 30+ years ago, my son and his Classmates lived through it over the four most recent completed academic years - if I asked him what he'd like to have gotten at KP that he didn't get "better food" probably not be on his top five 1 and 2 would be his basic DPO certification and his towing endorsement; if he were an engineering major he's have other similar things that would and do require expanded/improved access to simulators and labs as well. Thankfully many of those things are at least addressed or included in the current (new) stragegic plan and/or the list of things RADM Hellis has given to the USMMAAF for his priorities for funding margin of excellence items.

Truth be told if Congress gave MARAD an additional $300 - $600M for support of Maritime Education here in the US (specifically both USMMA and all the State Maritime Academies) that money could easily be well spent better supporting an industry vital to our nation's economic well being and overall security. In my view it could easily be gathered from other less necessary or lower priority items and certainly could be obtained without taking such dollars from other MARAD programs like subsidies to small shipyards, etc. After all MARAD is the smallest piece of DOT's budget and DOT is dwarfed, especially if you don't consider the Federal Highway Grant monies - though given in the past such grants included things like "The Bridge to Nowhere" you really cannot exclude them from the discussions, by DoD and DHS.

Finally, you seem to still be saying that you feel the Transportation Industy in General and it's Maritime components in particular are getting subsidized and supported by the Government in an unjustifiable, disporportinate manner to other US indsutries or are you a strict constituionalist and libretarian who believes Government should not subsidize or influence ANY industry? And if that's the case I guess you are all for ending your and my ability to deduct our home mortgages from our taxes, regardless of any unintended effects on the economy overall.
 
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