AFROTC 2012 EA Results

When I was a cadet, things were much simpler. The active AF at the time was 600,000 strong though. There was a simple point system and if you scored 65 points, you went to SFT and were in the POC. There wasn't even PFT scoring. Just SAT, GPA, major, ROTC grades and a few miscellaneous points. CC ratings or OML's were unheard of to qualify for POC.

It appears AFROTC is trying to figure out how to deal with what amounts to greater competition for less positions. Active duty officers compete amongst themselves for promotion and it seems that philosophy is being extended to cadets. I think all cadets should ask themselves if the military is worth the effort the first place.

You may well find yourself being cut from the military at any point in time. Then what will you do? Keep in mind that your military job will not have much relevance in the private sector. Don't fall for the subjective arguments about leadership and personal type of skills that one theoretically develops from military service. The private sector doesn't even care if you were an officer or not. They care about your objective qualifications for the job, just like the ROTC demands from you now. The military likes to hide this reality. If you leave the military after, lets say 6 years, you may find yourself under qualified for private sector jobs, even if you were an engineer.

Engineering junior officers often fall behind in skill development compared to their private sector counterparts. A good example are Army engineers. I've seen ex-combat engineers with dated civil engineering degrees and absolutely no experience or skills in civil engineering. They end up going back to school for graduate degrees to qualify themselves for entry level jobs.

Military separation often marks the pinnacle of a working career. Military work can be great and satisfying. There are military jobs relevant to the private sector. It is possible to make a smooth transition out of the military. But, keep in mind that there are many who never make that transition and they often suffer for having been in the military. I'm not advising against military service, but I am advising that you have a well developed exit plan at all times. The same holds true for private sector workers. They should be planning for a new job all the time.
 
Jodie said:
The private sector doesn't even care if you were an officer or not.
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This is contrary to what I have seen written in Businessweek and the WSJ. It is also contrary to anecdotal posts I've seen here and elsewhere that indicate that companies very much appreciate the maturity, discipline, and yes leadership qualities of ex Junior Officers entering the civilian work force. Given two candidates of approximately equal qualifications (being ex JO doesn't make up for not having the relevant experience), the ex JO will get the job most of the time. This is espeically true of large corporate jobs where the company will invest in training the new employee in a management fast-track.
 
Not really sure where you are getting that info Jodie. I can tell you from the perspective of my father, that (especially in the Air Force) many junior officers are responsible for millions of dollars of equipment and handle more personel than there civilian counterparts do. From the Air Force perspective, junior officers will be using some cutting edge technologies. If anything, like my father (Electrical Engineer), they will probably have to slow themselves down to the civilian level after getting out. :rolleyes:
 
dunninla said:
Given two candidates of approximately equal qualifications (being ex JO doesn't make up for not having the relevant experience), the ex JO will get the job most of the time.
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Problem is that they OFTEN don't have equal experience. If your talking about becoming a police officer, the ex JO gets the job versus a tow truck driver. If your a civil engineering firm, the ex-sapper commander can't hold a candle to an experienced civil engineer or even a operating engineer. I'm just saying there are downsides to military service as it effects future civilian employment.
 
Dunninla,

The AF has always been the red-headed cousin, the banker branch, or the corporate branch. What is Army life is not equal to what is AF.

Companies like Lockheed, Pratt, Raytheon look for experience in unique aspects. Not implying they don't for the Army, just stating we can't say branches are triplets born to the same parent.

An enlisted member in any branch can get their undergrad using TA.

That means at 26 both the Officer and the enlisted member have an undergrad, but the enlisted member has 8 yrs of experience on the line working on the 22, plus management as an NCO. The officer is in charge of the NCO that has an undergrad, yet no knowledge of the engine, the chutes, the amount of flights needed before the tires need to be replaced. Their job, was management, nothing more, nothing less. They know squat about the airframe, and Lockheed wants someone that knows the 22 inside and out, with management experience. Lockheed will train them to be Lockheed mgrs. They don't want to waste money on a JO that was a 16 maintainer officer getting them up to speed on the specs of the 22.

Bullet is the AF Civilian for the 35, but he was hired because he had Fighter Weapons experience. Not because he had an MBA. Many, many military members go Defense when they leave the military. If you are saying, companies like 3M, I am with you. However, the reason military members go Defense, aka: Raytheon, Lockhheed, L3Com. Booze Allen, Rand, Grumman, Pratt, GE, etc. is because their skill set is so unique they can call their salary.

An O2 in the Army may have 100 people reporting to them. In the AF world, that is just not going to happen before O4.

Army ROTC every cadet goes to LDAC. Not AFROTC.

AFROTC every cadet commissioned goes AD for 4 yrs, no Reserves, no Guard option. You are either IN or OUT after your sophomore year.

As far as the CC favoritism issue with the selection. CC's are O6's that have AD officers who report to them. They may love that cadet, but they won't risk an O4's promotion for that cadet. They will cut the cadet loose if it means propping up the stats for their unit.

Business is business, it is not personal. O6's also know they will be retiring and any recognition from the AF will be a feather in their cap, points in their resume.
 
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Just got my results for me and my detachment 11/11 selection 100%. Numbers are looking good for other dets just from that :D
 
Less than two hours and I'll know - the suspense is gonna kill me well before the CTAs do :)
 
You'll be fine bpenquin.

It appears that the cut was done months ago.

Congrats to all of you.

Just remember to run your arse off from here to the day you report.

Alabama in July could be 105 degrees with 90% humidity. It will be a factor. Your PFA will be placed into the equation for your ranking out of FT.

That ranking will be placed into your AFSC equation.
 
Pima said:
You'll be fine bpenquin.

It appears that the cut was done months ago.

Congrats to all of you.

Just remember to run your arse off from here to the day you report.

Alabama in July could be 105 degrees with 90% humidity. It will be a factor. Your PFA will be placed into the equation for your ranking out of FT.

That ranking will be placed into your AFSC equation.
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Yeah in regards to this they say PFA drops a few points from the stress and climate down there so if you get Max6 make sure you are training on the hot days as well as the not so hot ones when your at home for the summer.
 
Our DS ran alot and at different times. He did 3 mile runs at a 7 minute pace, knowing a shorter run he could push it out at a faster pace.

He would run at 5 a.m. from an exhaustion perspective. He is a night owl.

He ran at 2 p.m. from a heat perspective. Live in VA, 96 degree weather, but his arse was handed to him because the humidity in AL is 95% and that can feel like you are burning your lungs.

He always came home and did the entire PFA test with the time limits. Running is great, but to really train you need to do the whole test.
 
Lucky me, I'm at the BYU det, but family is down in southern UT, where it gets up to 120 sometimes. I'm looking forward to training in that weather as well to help out with preparation..
 
My DS just texted...he got a slot.
Tech major
3.72 GPA
100% PFT
middle 1/3 CC rank
I don't know his AFOTQ
 
My stats were:
Non-Tech
3.68 CGPA
1120SAT
96.3PFA ( i think that's what it was it was last year >.<)
Unknown Commander's rank they did not tell us
 
Got my EA!

Ranking: Top third
CGPA: 3.65, non-tech
PFA: 97.0
AFOQT AA: 79
 
This was one of the best days of my life so far!! I got selected!

I'm at Det 855, they couldn't give a statistic on the det selection rate, but everyone I talked to had gotten selected; we've got 35 cadets that were nominated.

My stats:
Tech Major (Computer Science)
CGPA: 3.5
AFOQT AA 77
PFA: 96.8
Ranking: Unknown, but probably middle third
 
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