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  1. ERAUMattmom

    ERAUMattmom Member

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    How many people sit on the scholarship board and the upcoming rated board for EA's?

    Are they the same people?

    Or is the EA's purely a numbers thing....in which all of the cadets numbers are fed into a computer and based on those numbers the computer spits out the national ranking and the cadets above the cut off line go and those below it don't???

    Pima....don't be mad at me for finding another question to ask about SFT....I can't help it....these questions just pop into my head out of nowhere!!
     
  2. Pima

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    Honestly, I don't know if it is a plug and chug spit out the number. My guess is it is not because the rec from the CoC is in part subjective. Now if they do it like a promotion board in the ADAF, it basically goes like this:

    ADAF officers, typically O5, but for all I know it could be O3s. The board will meet for a limited amount of time. The raters sit at a table of however many they decide. Let's say 3. At every table there will be a stack of candidates. Each rater will individually score the candidate. If there is a large disparacy between the raters, the packet is placed aside to be re-evaluated. Not sure if the original raters talk it out or if it gets re-evakuated by a new group.

    From there the cadet will get a score. They than take every cadets total and draw a line for the number of the cadets they are going to send, Above the number they get to attend, below they don't.

    Now as I stated this was how it was explained to me a few years back, so don't make me swear on it, and don't flame me if I was given wrong info.

    Now before you ask the next question, going to Max 1 does not mean the cadet was the highest score. The Max assignments come down after. This is more about college schedules. For example, our DS's det could not send any to Max 1 because their academic year went to about 3 days prior to report. DS went to Max 6 because his school didn't start back up until Aug 31st. Cadets at VT could not go later than 4 because their school started in early Aug.

    As for the rated board it is a repeat of this process, but a little different because the cadets place in order their AFSCs. They place that into the equation. For example cadet Smith may have the highest score, but they took the ABM scholarship. That means they move onto number 2 for the pilot slot.

    Again they will have specific numbers for each rated slot.

    No flaming, that is what my friend told me because their DS went OCS, and is at UNT (CSO). He was told that even though he asked for pilot, between AFA and AFROTC, there were very few UPT slots left for OCS. The majority went to ADAF enlisted applying for OCS, thus why he got CSO.
     
  3. ERAUMattmom

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    When it comes to assigning Max's ...is the priority more towards trying to split up cadets from the same detachment??

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    Is more a matter of working with academic schedule of the colleges??

    ERAU's last day of finals is April 30. Is it more likely that they these cadets will be assigned to an earlier max?....or more likely that they will try to divide them up as much as possible evenly across the 5 max's?

    Also - how willing and flexible is the scheduling for cadets that are planning to take summer courses?

    Once assigned a max is that date set in stone...or is it possible to have it changed for good reason?
     
  4. FlyingWildcatDad

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    ERAU, I was wondering the same thing about how EA's were decided. I thought if it was a numbers thing, just plugging in a cadets cGPA, PFA, etc into a formula, then they really wouldn't need a board. I did not realize that the CC ranking (RSS) included a written recommendation, so that makes more sense. I believe I read somewhere that the EA board meets this up coming week, can anyone confirm that?
     
  5. ERAUMattmom

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    I don't understand how the written comment can come into play regarding the Commander rankings. There is a formula that converts the ranking into a specific number.


    The formula for calculating RSS is ((1-R/C) +.5/C)*10
    Where R=DCR and C=Class size

    How can words ..whatever they may convert into points.....Unless maybe there is a tie between 2 cadets total numbers...
     
  6. FlyingWildcatDad

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    Hopefully someone with intimate knowledge of the current process will chime in. I would love to know!
     
  7. ERAUMattmom

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    OK here we go...I am 99% sure that I have these calculations correct...

    This formula came from the AFROTCI36-2011 for calculating RSS
    ((1-r/c) +0.5/C) *10) = RSS

    Assuming that I keyed in the following number correctly AND according to the above publication a cadet that knows his ranking in his detachment can figure out his RSS which will account for either 40% or 50% of his/her total score depending upon whether the rumors are true in regards to lowering the RSS from 50% to 40%

    Examples of a #1 cadet
    1st out of 16 = ((1-1/16) + 0.5/16) x 10) = 9.6875
    1st out of 32 = ((1-1/32) + 0.5/32) x 10) = 9.84375
    1st out of 48 = ((1-1/48) +0.5/48) x 10) = 9.89583

    Examples of RSS #’s for a cadet ranked in the bottom half of the top third of his detachment
    5th out of 16 = ((1-5/16) + 0.5/16 ) x 10) = 7.1875
    10th out of 32 = ((1-10/32) + 0.5/32 ) x 10) = 7.03125
    15th out of 48 = ((1-15/48) + 0.5/48 ) x 10) = 6.9791667

    Example of a cadet in the bottom third of his detachment

    15th out of 16 = ((1-15/16) +0.5/16) x 10) = 0.9375
    30th out of 32 = ((1-30/32) +0.5/32) x 10 = 0.78125
    45th out of 48 = ((1-45/48) +0.5/48) x 10 = 0.72916
     
  8. FlyingWildcatDad

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    Now that's alot of math! Interesting to see that the number 1 cadet at a smaller Detachment does not score as well as the number 1 from a larger one.
     
  9. ERAUMattmom

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    LOL...I just keyed in the formula in my Google search box and kept changing the numbers.

    Yea..It is interesting how being in a large detachment goes from working for you to working against you pretty quickly...
     
  10. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    The only problem with that is that a cadet can only guess their exact ranking. I saw that formula too in the 36-2011, but it's totally useless to cadets. The cadre and mythical EA board ppl know what rank everyone has, but cadets are only told top 1/3, middle 1/3, and bottom 1/3.

    A POC can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't even think you get to know your exact ranking from FT either, it's still given to you in 1/3's. You are constantly being evaluated so you can always report into the Education Officer and ask for your ranking, but they will never tell you for example that you're ranked #5 of 30 in your class, it'll just be what 1/3 you're in.

    Idk how it's done at other dets, but I just found out that at my det ~60% of our CC ranking is based on GPA. It's really a shame because some really stellar cadets who volunteer and participate in everything and are overall top 1/3 material, are in the bottom 1/3 because of less than stellar GPAs. So overall, GPA counts for ~45-50% of your entire package. Like I said though, this is just how my det does the rankings. I'm sure it varies by det so if you want to know exactly what the cadre take into account when calculating your rank you can just report in and ask them. Mine have been pretty open about what they look at, so it's worth asking to find out what you can do to improve your ranking. You may get a vague answer depending on the cadre member, but you won't get chastised for asking. Definitely don't ask the very 1st semester your in AFROTC, but I'm sure they'd appreciate a 100 being proactive by asking about it 2nd semester.
     
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  11. Capt. Ahab

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    I heard somewhere (from a POC, not Cadre) if a detachment performs well in previous years (i.e. high ranking SFT graduates, higher percentage of graduates, ect.) and has a high quality of training, they are more likely to have a higher Enrollment Allocation percentage. Any truth to this?
     
  12. ERAUMattmom

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    Common sense tells me that if this is the truth it is because that detachment works hard at preparing their cadets for SFT.

    I don't remember who it was, but somebody posted here that FTP wasn't even mandatory at their detachment.

    To me that is crazy. I know that FTP at my DS's detachment is a VERY big deal. What they do to prepare is almost secret. The reason I say that is because there is a fun short weekly for entertainment purposes only video that is put out every week with pictures of the cadets in their activities from the previous week. There are NEVER any pictures of the 200/250's while SFT is going on in these videos and nobody posts any photos.

    I know for a fact that they are still (voluntarily) taking extra drill at least 2 x a week and they (67 cadets strong) have gotten a march from a certain point A to a certain point B down from 40+ minutes to just over 20 minutes.

    So if you heard somewhere (from a POC, not Cadre) if a detachment performs well in previous years (i.e. high ranking SFT graduates, higher percentage of graduates, ect.) and has a high quality of training, they are more likely to have a higher Enrollment Allocation percentage it could be if it's not a 100% pure plug in the numbers game that it is true.

    To me it just makes senses that if EA selection is subjective then more EA's would go to detachments that have better records of putting out the best.

    But once again ...JMPO
     
  13. FlyingWildcatDad

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    EA Boards are supposedly meeting this week March 11-14 with an expected release date after March 22. I am interested to see how many EA's were allocated this year and how the new rated board affected results. Good luck to those waiting, should not be long now.
     
  14. Capt. Ahab

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    You guys have such a wealth of information (regardless if some things are rumors). I feel out of the loop! lol
     
  15. FlyingWildcatDad

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    I got this info from an earlier post from afrotc16. He referenced an email from his cadre as his source. Capt, are you competing on the rated board as a non tech, just curious?
     
  16. Capt. Ahab

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    Yeah, I was originally going to wait until my 300 year to make the decision to go rated before they created this separate board. Mainly because it was something I was torn about.
    My CC said my scores were around the average for people to be accepted into rated positions, but judging by the massive spike in the people going for rated (at least in my detachment), I think it won't be the 100% like usual and the range of scores will be much higher.
     
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  17. AlphaAlphaSigma

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    Found out that the EA board hasn't convened yet. AFROTC HQ is still making the number of people they want for officer accessions in FY 16. Once they have a number the EA board will draw a line for EAs and rank all of the cadets by their OM score. The expected date for EAs to be released is still March 22.
     
  18. ERAUMattmom

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    Something is telling me that March 22, a Saturday can't be the date they expect the EA's to be released.

    Have any results, from any boards, been released on a Saturday before?
     
  19. FlyingWildcatDad

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    My DS seems to think the EA's will come out sometime during the week following the March 22 weekend. Hopefully EA's won't be delayed by three weeks again like last year.
     

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