AFROTC curriculum

Unless the system has changed for the WCS, the PFA is part of the scholarship selection process. They will than need to pass it again as a cadet to contract. The PFA is administered by a PE teacher, a coach or an ALO. The form is downloaded with the application. It gives exact directions regarding the order and the amount of time that is allowed to rest between each section.

As far as the big check issue, each school is different. At the 2 different HS in 2 different states it did not occur until a week or 2 prior to graduation for the sr. awards night. By that time they should know which scholarship they are accepting.

The reason they like to do it at that time is because with SR. yr award ceremonies you have a guaranteed captive audience with prospective candidates for the following yrs. Parents ooh and ahh when they hear about how much the scholarship is worth and in this economy the idea of a guaranteed job upon college graduation.

I was one of those parents that the AF came and went through their spiel of all of it and watched parents talk about it, some came to us after the ceremony and asked how he did it, what the process was.

OBTW the DoDMERB issue is something to really be aware of because as kinnem stated you can't contract until everything is completed.
 
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mentoring,

Also forgot to tell you regarding AFROTC PFT, that she will take it every semester. Typically they do it within the 1st week of school.

However, speaking on the AFROTC side, 3 times her PFT score is really going to matter.

1. C200 SFT selection board.
~~~ PFT score is part of the score for selection.
2. At SFT
~~~ PFT will be part of how she ranks out. They rank them top 1%, 10, 20, 30, 50 and nothing.
3. C300/400 AFSC board for your OML.
~~~ PFT is part of that equation
~~~ SFT ranking is too, thus the PFT score at SFT comes back to indirectly impact you again.

So as you can see the PFT is not only about keeping the scholarship, it is part of getting to your final goal of ADAF in your 1st career choice.

I don't know about NROTC if PFT once you have a scholarship is just about keeping the scholarship, or if for their summer training they are like the AF and for their career assignments it is part of their OML too. NROTC posters will clarify that side for you.

It shouldn't be a decision making factor IMPO, but it should be something that she understands will be in her life for yrs.
 
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Pima said:
mentoring,

Also forgot to tell you regarding AFROTC PFT, that she will take it every semester. Typically they do it within the 1st week of school.

However, speaking on the AFROTC side, 3 times her PFT score is really going to matter.

1. C200 SFT selection board.
~~~ PFT score is part of the score for selection.
2. At SFT
~~~ PFT will be part of how she ranks out. They rank them top 1%, 10, 20, 30, 50 and nothing.
3. C300/400 AFSC board for your OML.
~~~ PFT is part of that equation
~~~ SFT ranking is too, thus the PFT score at SFT comes back to indirectly impact you again.

So as you can see the PFT is not only about keeping the scholarship, it is part of getting to your final goal of ADAF in your 1st career choice.

I don't know about NROTC if PFT once you have a scholarship is just about keeping the scholarship, or if for their summer training they are like the AF and for their career assignments it is part of their OML too. NROTC posters will clarify that side for you.

It shouldn't be a decision making factor IMPO, but it should be something that she understands will be in her life for yrs.
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Hi Pima,

Now I am struggling with the acronyms. I checked the link on acronyms. Found what OML meant. Does ADAF mean active duty in the air force? Could find AFSC, but probably af stands for Air Force. No idea what SC stands for...Not in the list. SFT? FT is fitness test. How about S? IMPO=importance?
C200 means college sophomore level? C300=college junior level, so on and so forth. Am trying to guess here...
Sorry....
 
Pima said:
I don't know about NROTC if PFT once you have a scholarship is just about keeping the scholarship, or if for their summer training they are like the AF and for their career assignments it is part of their OML too. NROTC posters will clarify that side for you.
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First, summer training. PFT scores do not come into play during the first summer cruise as the kids are sent to training as a unit where they get to see all things Navy. One week surface, one wekk subs, one week aviation, and one week Marines. For Navy options their desired specialty comes into play on subsequent cruises. I do not know if their OML and/or PFT scores come into play on these assignments. For example a nuke option may go to a nuke craft (surface or sub). Someone pursuing Aviation will probably get some aviation assignment ashore or afloat. The Marine options are always sent to training as a unit so neither OML or PFT come into play. First summer is the same as the Navy Options. Second summer is typically Mountain Warfare school. And of course third summer is Officer Candidate School.

Some of the following is my surmise based on the facts I have to go on as we haven't gotten that far in the process yet. As usual with all things Navy it depends on the path you're on. In any case I'm confident that the physical fitness test for each service will come into play on the OML.

Navy Option, which is what mentoring is interested in, go through service selection (which is called branching in the Army) sometime in their senior year. Submariners and Aviators go off to their respective schools and training programs sometime after commissioning. I believe Surface Warfare Officers go straight to the fleet although I have heard of some changes where they may initially go to a Surface Officer Warfare school in the future. I can only assume that the PFT is part of their OML and therefore plays a role in where they are going. Of course each of these specialties have their own restrictions which also come into play. You can't be too tall for subs, must be within certain height restrictions for aviation as well as have certain scores on the aviation tests, etc.

Marine Option's first stop after commissioning is The Basic School which every Marine Officer attends. There (I think for 6 months) you're trained in everything you need to know to be a Marine Officer and are also trained in commanding a platoon, tactics, etc. In the sense that every Marine is a rifleman, every Marine officer is a platoon leader. MOS selection occurs towards the end of TBS and is based on their OML which in turn includes their PFT and performance at TBS. After TBS, they'll go to their specialty schools (Infantry Officer School, Armor school, Aviation, etc). So with Marines it all occurs much later in the process.

I also believe, and this is totally surmise, that the physical fitness scores are at least informally taken into account in assigning leadership roles while in NROTC. The midshipman CO and XO, for the most part, will pick their team during their command. Certain slots are generally reserved for certain classes, but this is a great exercise in judgement for them. Clearly, good and consistent PFT scores will help you get noticed. It may even be more formal than that. That is not to say that poor performers don't get leadership billets, only that good performers (including grades) probably get more shots at leadership billets.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it... until someone more knowledgeable comes along, or my son call me back after today's workout and tells me where I'm wrong.
 
The summer cruises take up the entire summer, that is, more or less, 12 wks, or only a portion of the summer?
 
kinnem said:
First, summer training. PFT scores do not come into play during the first summer cruise as the kids are sent to training as a unit where they get to see all things Navy. One week surface, one wekk subs, one week aviation, and one week Marines. For Navy options their desired specialty comes into play on subsequent cruises. I do not know if their OML and/or PFT scores come into play on these assignments. For example a nuke option may go to a nuke craft (surface or sub). Someone pursuing Aviation will probably get some aviation assignment ashore or afloat. The Marine options are always sent to training as a unit so neither OML or PFT come into play. First summer is the same as the Navy Options. Second summer is typically Mountain Warfare school. And of course third summer is Officer Candidate School.

Some of the following is my surmise based on the facts I have to go on as we haven't gotten that far in the process yet. As usual with all things Navy it depends on the path you're on. In any case I'm confident that the physical fitness test for each service will come into play on the OML.

Navy Option, which is what mentoring is interested in, go through service selection (which is called branching in the Army) sometime in their senior year. Submariners and Aviators go off to their respective schools and training programs sometime after commissioning. I believe Surface Warfare Officers go straight to the fleet although I have heard of some changes where they may initially go to a Surface Officer Warfare school in the future. I can only assume that the PFT is part of their OML and therefore plays a role in where they are going. Of course each of these specialties have their own restrictions which also come into play. You can't be too tall for subs, must be within certain height restrictions for aviation as well as have certain scores on the aviation tests, etc.

Marine Option's first stop after commissioning is The Basic School which every Marine Officer attends. There (I think for 6 months) you're trained in everything you need to know to be a Marine Officer and are also trained in commanding a platoon, tactics, etc. In the sense that every Marine is a rifleman, every Marine officer is a platoon leader. MOS selection occurs towards the end of TBS and is based on their OML which in turn includes their PFT and performance at TBS. After TBS, they'll go to their specialty schools (Infantry Officer School, Armor school, Aviation, etc). So with Marines it all occurs much later in the process.

I also believe, and this is totally surmise, that the physical fitness scores are at least informally taken into account in assigning leadership roles while in NROTC. The midshipman CO and XO, for the most part, will pick their team during their command. Certain slots are generally reserved for certain classes, but this is a great exercise in judgement for them. Clearly, good and consistent PFT scores will help you get noticed. It may even be more formal than that. That is not to say that poor performers don't get leadership billets, only that good performers (including grades) probably get more shots at leadership billets.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it... until someone more knowledgeable comes along, or my son call me back after today's workout and tells me where I'm wrong.
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Wow, Kinnem, I salute you for all your knowledgge. I bow down to that, Sir! Thank you for all these info!
 
thementoringtree said:
The summer cruises take up the entire summer, that is, more or less, 12 wks, or only a portion of the summer?
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Only a portion of the summer for Navy or Marines. First summer is 4 weeks. Don't know what the length of time is for subsequent summers for Navy. I'll bow to Pima for AFROTC summer training.
 
And all Navy/Marine summer cruises or training are domestic, or they might train at US bases overseas? These kids also have time for some relaxation at the end of the day, I surmise? I mean, they can't attend lectures, do drills, etc all 24/7, right?
 
thementoringtree said:
And all Navy/Marine summer cruises or training are domestic, or they might train at US bases overseas? These kids also have time for some relaxation at the end of the day, I surmise? I mean, they can't attend lectures, do drills, etc all 24/7, right?
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Hey I still call them kids too!

I honestly cannot tell you, but I doubt they have much free time if any. I expect they are attending to duties and briefs while they are awake and are in their bunks at a specified time... if they are lucky. They may draw fire watch in which case they'll get little sleep. These are future officers who get paid while they are training, and if they're aboard ship they will be following normal shipboard routines and duties for the most part. I do know that for Mountain Warfare School this summer my kid will have virtually no free time. Here's a relevant line from the instructions sent to the midshipmen last year:
4. DAILY ROUTINE. The training routine at MCMWTC Summer Training will typically commence
at 0500. Before breakfast, all hands will conduct a police call. Training will occur from 0600 to 2100. Taps will sound at 2100. Training may change due to weather; however, Midshipmen can expect to execute the training schedule.
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They are also told there will be no liberty while they are there.

That being said, people socialize in all environments and I didn't speak to any midshipman who didn't enjoy their summer training.

OBTW - I'm hoping my son is working the whole summer except for the time he will spend at Mt. Warfare School. I've already told him I expect no complaints about the lack of a summer vacation. After all, people pay thousands of dollars to hike the Sierra in the summer! :biggrin:
 
Hey, Kinnem, wow, from 6:00 to 21:00! That is indeed a LIFE! :shake: But if you enjoy doing something and you really aspire to be a respectable, honorable officer, you should do it, rain or shine! I wonder how DD would survive the summer cruises....but you see, I probably can't, but our kids (this time, I am calling them kids) will find their own way to survive and adjust to "difficult terrain." What is hard for us may be the easiest thing in this world for them....like when I watch her do an AP Chem and Lab problem...ask me math, not chem, I would say....but she breezes through her chem....really surprises me.:thumb:
 
AFSC = AF Specialty Code...i.e. a nurse will have a different AFSC than a CSO or an Intel officer.

ADAF = Active Duty Air Force.

C200 is Soph yr, 300 is jr. 400 is sr,. If they are approved for a 5 yr program it is actually not 500, but I think 700...others in the AFROTC 5 yr program can explain the 5 yr plan,

AFROTC is like NROTC you will go AD.
 
I didn't see where this was answered

SFT = summer field training, I believe, which is usually completed, if the cadet is chosen, after their sophomore year.

USAF
 
Hi Moostache,

Yeah, I was looking for the meaning of SFT. And I thought that the FT stood for fitness training or test again.:confused:

Would you happen to have a copy of the AFROTC curriculum of any school? I am curious as to what ROTC courses the cadets take. Kinnem was kind enough to give me a copy of the NROTC courses at Univ of South Carolina...

Thanks in advance!
 
thementoringtree said:
Hi Moostache,

Yeah, I was looking for the meaning of SFT. And I thought that the FT stood for fitness training or test again.:confused:

Would you happen to have a copy of the AFROTC curriculum of any school? I am curious as to what ROTC courses the cadets take. Kinnem was kind enough to give me a copy of the NROTC courses at Univ of South Carolina...

Thanks in advance!
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The AFROTC curriculum was included in the same post that had the NROTC curriculum. It's in post #26 on this page: http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=30050&page=3
 
Hi Kinnem,

Thanks for pointing out this one to me! You have been a great help!
I think DD and I have good enough info for now to start the application. We will surely stumble somewhere along the road, and I will send you a message again. Hope you won't mind all the questions!

Thanks,

TMT
 
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