AFROTC EA chances, worried, the usual.

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  1. Beonks

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    Hey, all,

    Me again with a similar question, updated.
    With the fall semester coming to a close, and FTP next semester quickly approaching, I'm starting to get real nervous about EA for SFT '13.
    I just had my semester review with the Col. last week, and he said my stats were good. He did not, however, give me a ranking. When I asked how my chances looked for selection, he just reiterated that my stats were good (not sure if he didn't want to deliver bad news, or just didn't want to get my hopes up when its uncertain).
    Anyways, my stats are as follows:

    Double Major in Int'l/Global Studies and Political Science - Non Tech
    cGPA: 3.243 (given my current grades for this semester right now, it will be a 3.3 at the end)
    PFA: 91.7
    ACT: 28 (in a previous post I said 29, but 28 was the best non-superscored)
    SAT: 1290/1600

    Which will be used/is better, SAT or ACT?
    Also, I plan on working overtime during winter break to improve my PFA score before we take our FT PFA. Hoping to max out, but that run kills me every time!
    I'm not real involved in the wing, unfortunately. I go to the same school as the one where my det. is located, but I still live about 25 minutes away. I was able to plan classes around my ROTC schedule so I would only have to commute once a day. I started AAS, but the additional commutes (class and extra PT) were killing my bank account on tolls and gas, so I had to un-enroll. I do volunteer with the wing when I can, but that has only been 2-3 times this semester. I am an AS250, so I'm worried my involvement within the wing will really hinder me. Especially with the word going around that selection % will be way lower than last year (all but 2 cadets from the wing last year got an EA). Currently, there is about 65 200/250 cadets in the det. The Col. said that there are at least 5 that won't make the 2.5 GPA mark. And I've heard a few others are removing themselves from the program after the semester due to personal reasons, so I see myself competing against approx. 55 others.

    Can anyone tell me the percentages for each criteria for FT selection? (GPA, ACT/SAT/AFOQT, PFA, Ranking, etc.)

    Also, does anyone know how the Cadre determine your ranking? Is there a percentage for that as well?
     
  2. Pima

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    It has been a long time since I looked at the ACT/SAT conversion charts. Google it to see how it stacks and racks out. Whichever is higher that is the one they will use.

    Many CoCs will not state how you rack and stack within the det. CoC's are there to mentor along with train the next generation of AF officers. I wouldn't read too much into his answer.

    He does not know what the stats will be like for this board, because right now we are headed for a fiscal cliff. If the Hill doesn't stop it, 500 BN more will be taken from the DoD budget.

    He is being vague because he realizes the impact of this situation. On top of that it was only last yr that had a 93% acceptance rate, while only adding 100 more slots compared to the yr before with a 58% rate. That is a huge discrepancy. Last yr you may look good, two yrs ago, you may have looked to be on the cusp.

    Before you start doing the work out for PFA over winter break, double check. If I am correct, the 91.7 will be the score submitted. Although the board does not meet until Feb. The dets will submit the packets much earlier than that. I believe if memory serves me, DS (2012 commission; 2010 SFT), his packet went in before he returned back to school in Jan. His Dec. PFA was the submission they sent. You really want to be at the 95+ to feel comfortable.

    Things change, so again, double check with the det on when they will submit your packet.

    Your cgpa is right in the ball park for non-tech.

    Understand that the cgpa is just a ball park, some higher tiered colleges from an academic perspective could have a lower cgpa. I.E. 3.2 at Princeton is not the same as a 3.2 from Boise State. No offense to Boise state. Boards get that.

    You also are attending a huge det. It would appear that some may have already been informed their path is ending when it comes to command support...i.e. personal reasons. Your CoC may have told them exactly that, so take the "good chance" remark as a positive.

    Obviously you are not a scholarship cadet. How many are? Do you have any awards yet? Do you have a job in the det? If so, what position? Have you taken a DoDMERB exam? Any waivers needed? Is your det. nationally recognized for awards by AFROTC HQ?

    The signs are there if you know what to look for in this scenario.

    I wouldn't panic yet. What will be, will be. Remove this from your mind as best as you can, which will be hard. Study for your finals, and hit them out of the ballpark so you can get an even higher cgpa.

    EVERY POINT COUNTS!
     
  3. Beonks

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    Pima,

    Thank you for the very insightful response!

    My flight commander told me that we would be performing another PFA for FT. He said during his 200 year (last year), that is what they did. However, I haven't heard anything from the Cadre regarding it, so I'm not certain. However, another POC mentioned that we will be required to write a talking paper, as one of our AS200 class assignments, discussing why we think we should get a field training slot. She said that in this paper we will list our involvement, etc., and that this is considered by the Cadre when they rank you, so perhaps our packets aren't sent up prior to the spring semester (which starts 9 January).

    Also, I'm not sure how many 200 cadets are on scholarship, I know there are about 10-15 AS100 cadets that are, so I would assume around the same for 200's. Does being on scholarship help you in regards to getting a slot?

    I do not have any awards yet, nor a job within the det. As this is my first semester (AS250), and our det is pretty large, I feel as if it's been hard to stand out. Additionally, aside from 4 GMC advisors (which were chosen last semester), the jobs are filled by POC.

    I have taken the DoDMERB exam, and qualified, no remedials or waivers needed, thank God!

    I have a few additional questions:
    1) In the packet that is sent to the board, does it show your volunteer experience/participation, or is that just used to help determine commander's ranking? My volunteer opportunities, as I said, are very limited. I had hoped to participate more next semester, but as you pointed out, packets are sent rather early in the semester, and that, therefore, wouldn't help me much..
    What all is included in this packet?

    2) How long does it normally take before selection results are returned?

    3) If you do not get selected for FT, are you automatically dis-enrolled from the program (even if you are not on scholarship)? How do you go about becoming an AS500?

    4) Preparing for the worst, hoping for the best. If I don't get a slot, do you, personally, consider it worth it to push my graduation date back a year to give myself another shot? Or at that point would my time be better spent looking into AF OTS, Navy OCS, and/or other branches and ways to commission? I've already pushed my graduation date back 2 years to join AFROTC this semester, granted if I don't get an EA I can cut it back down, but I just want to explore and prepare all options as time is running out.

    Thank you!
     
  4. Pima

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    Let's go point by point.

    In the ADAF this would be equivalent to a PRF.
    ~~~ You start back incredibly early, so it is very possible that within days of returning you will submit this to the Cadre before they rack and stack the candidates. DS's school did not go back until @1/25, hence it was really at the end of fall term they submitted.
    NO! Scholarships are what the ADAF would called "MASKED". The board does not see which cadet is scholarship, and which is not.
    ~~~ The thing to understand is many of the scholarship cadets also have merit, and colleges tend to require much higher cgpas than AFROTC. DS's and DD's merit requires a 3.2 min. cgpa. As you know AFROTC only requires a 2.5.
    ~~~ I asked about scholarship, because if your college was like DS's, I am betting those 10-15 cadets in your yr group also have college merit money too, and their cgpa will be in the 3.0+ range.
    Don't worry if that is the case. Only 4 GMCs having a position means 50 of you are in the same boat when it comes to involvement.
    ~~~ You have a strong cgpa. You don't need any waivers. These are pluses in your columns.

    Your CoC will write a rec. Just my assumption, but I think they are doing this for 2 reasons.
    ~1. The CoC will be able to have a clearer perspective when it comes to ranking.
    ~2. He will submit a rec. He can in the rec brag about you using these areas as why the board should give you an EA slot over another cadet at another college.
    ~~~ Remember the SFT board is national. Every cadet will get a score, and they will draw a line. They know how many slots, so they will say any cadet above X points automatically will go, cadets between X and Y are alternate. Y and Z are no go.
    ~~~~ Before you ask...alternates attending are rare...don't bank on it, but at least it gives you an edge for C500, and not being dis-enrolled.

    I believe they release the results 1st week of March. It could be later, it could be earlier, but I would bank on March.

    Many CoCs will contact the cadets privately the night before. When DS went through it he received a phone call Weds. night with a report time, @ 7:45 a.m. The cadre broke it down into 2 groups. One at 7:15 and 1 at 7:45. The 7:15 were told they didn't get it, and they didn't need to go to LLAB that day. It is a heartbreaking day for some, and they didn't want salt poured in their wounds during LLAB while others were re-joicing.

    They submit your name to AFROTCHQ for a review board...i.e. 500 or dis-enrolled. You don't really have a voice in this case.

    It is a case by case scenario.

    Pushing back graduation --- talk to your CoC. You can't get another shot if they don't go to bat for you with AFROTCHQ...see 500 comment above.

    AF OTS --- as far as I know, if you are dis-enrolled from AFROTCHQ, that door will close too. At least for the past few yrs that has been true. Again talk to your CoC now.

    I can't say for Army or Navy OCS. I know in yrs past there were C200s not selected for EA and jumped over to AROTC. I don't know with the current DoD budget if the Army is still doing that. I would pm Marist or Clarkson on this forum for guidance.

    For Navy, you might want to go to a recruiter in your hometown over winter break to see what options you have in that branch.

    I get it. You are concerned and stressed, but trust me, right now you need that 3.3 cgpa, especially since you are non-tech. That is something, along with the PFA in your control. It will give you points.

    You don't need a waiver, and in this current world, that is a plus too! A very good friend of ours saw their DD not even meet the board because like you their det was very large, and they told her, the waiver would be an issue. She voluntarily dis-enrolled. Just like your det. where cadets are dropping out before the board will even meet.

    The fact is if you do the math, only 100 more slots were offered LY compared to the yr before, but the rate went from 55% to 93%. The reason why is simple, dets like yours are sitting cadets down and being brutally, painfully honest. The pool size reduced, thus the selection rate increased. Nothing more than that.

    At this point, I would feel you have a strong shot. The CoC said as much in his interview with him. If he has been there since at least 2010, he has seen where you are from a historical perspective. Saying your stats were good, should make you smile.

    Don't look for trouble.

    I will say again and again, get that PFA up.

    Biggest reason why?

    When you graduate from SFT, they will rank you out, and the PFA is part of that score. It goes as follows:
    DG, Top 1%, 10, 20, 30, 50, bottom 50%

    That ranking is now part of your AFSC score. 20% if I am correct, and you will also submit another PFA score too (15%?). Approximately 35% of your OML for AFSC is going to be in part tied to your PFA. You really want a 95 range. 91 is low. Talk to your FCC or at least your Flight PT leader to see what the avg is in your unit.

    Out of curiosity what is the AFSC you are trying for? There are several posters here that can assist you. Nick4060 was commissioned this past May, and is Intel. Kevster is a 300 and applying for rated. Both attend/attended big dets...your size. They can give you insight regarding career paths.

    Good Luck. Have faith.
     
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  5. becksgirl

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    Commander's Ranking 50%
    Cumulative GPA 20%
    PFA 15%
    ACT/SAT/AFOQT 15%

    There is a formula used for rankings using class size and commander ranking but I'm not 100% sure of what it is. It is based on each cadet as a "whole" with everything taken into consideration.
     
  6. Pima

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    I won't swear by it, but I thought they announced they were going to change the break down last yr., and now it is more like the AFSC boards.

    The CoC rec went down to 30% (?) while the SAT/ACT/AFOQT went up. I think it went up to 40%, so they must have taken another 5% from somewhere else, and I believe it comes out of the cgpa percentage.

    The reasoning I recall reading about was, they wanted to make it more analytically objective, less subjective. The PFA and the SAT are two categories that across the country is given the exact same way no matter what det you are in. I.E also why I think the other 5% was taken from the cgpa...every college is different regarding not only majors, but also academic rigor. A 4.0 at Stanford theoretically should be harder to maintain than a 4.0 at Rutgers when it comes to their programs.

    I think they also did this to reduce the rate of wash out at SFT. The 50% rec was a personal decision, and not based on their actual ability in that form.

    When you go for your AFSC boards, at least for rated, that is the new formula, of course they will remove the AFOQT and substitute the TBAS, but the % is still 40%. I believe that started for the 12 yr group.

    Again, I won't swear by it, but that was what I read a while back,regarding how the formula will be obtained now.
     
  7. Pima

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    OBTW this is the system for rated boards

    RSS-20%
    CGPA-10%
    PFT-15%
    FT-15%
    PCSM-40%

    RSS is the CoC's rec
    PCSM is AFOQT or TBAS

    As you can see the reason why all AFROTC cadets must attend FT is 15% of their OML is based on how they rank out of FT.

    It also is why the AF is concerned about the SFT selection scoring system and how it will impact them a yr or 2 later as a POC regarding AFSC. Rated boards meet 1 yr later at the same time as SFT boards. Non-rated meet fall of their sr. yr.

    If it remains at 50%, and that is a subjective factor, there are cadets later on that will be impacted when the OML is 70% that is objective.

    As I said I am not positive that they did change it, I believe they said it would be for 13. However, I could see why if they didn't change it, because they are taking a lot out of the CoC's control.

    I only am posting this to illustrate, with each step, the next board will be a larger impact in your life.

    Not only that, but for candidates in HS, this is why I have stated everything you do now will impact your future.

    That SAT/ACT you take in HS be it 15% or 40% for SFT, will come back on you in 2 yrs when it comes to SFT selection.

    That PFT in AFROTC, even if you get an SFT slot, will be part of your ranking for your AFSC. You won't get DG, top 1, 10, 20, or 50% at SFT if your PT scores are low. Have you ever been in Alabama in July? Running in 100 degree heat, 90% humidity will make you feel like your lungs are on fire.

    It will bite you if you don't train.

    You also need to remember AFROTCHQ can change their regs while you are in AFROTC.

    When DS entered in 08, it was 40% RSS, and 20% PCSM for the rated AFSC board. When he went for rated in 11, it was the current standard.

    When he entered in 08, they brought in all C100/250's on a Sat. in October for the AFOQT. The following yr., due to budget issues, decided the AFOQT would be given when they completed SFT.

    When he entered, it was not uncommon for cadets that didn't get SFT to become a 500. Dis-enrollment was rare when it came to non-selection for SFT.

    When he entered in 08, the min cgpa for scholarship was 2.0, it is now 2.5.

    When he entered in 08, EE majors could go rated, now it is a critical manning career field, and rated is not happening for those majors.

    It changes. These are just a few of how drastically things changed within 4 yrs.

    You need to have a plan B in place until the day you raise your hand and take the oath.

    I am not trying to be Debbie Downer. I am trying to illustrate to posters, that you need to understand what you believe today, may not be true 2,3, or 4 yrs from now.

    You can't rest on your laurels...EVER!
     
  8. SoleTrain

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    I'm sweating right alongside you man, even though our wing commander told me my stats are really good.

    Wow @ having so many 200s though...we have 30 in my class, 10 are 250s, ha.

    Are we sure wing commander ranking is really only 30% now? I heard it took a dive in value too, but a 20 point drop is pretty massive.
     
  9. Pima

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    That is what I read on another AF forum regarding the drop, but remember forum members also live by the so and so said. It could be it dropped to 40, but that still means your academics will mean that much more. Plus, honestly for your AFSC board it will be much less anyway since now they add in SFT into the score.

    When you get selected just remember to train hard for your PFT. I can't stress that enough, especially if you live in a state like MN where you are not accustomed to humidity and high temps. It is not uncommon to hit the 100 degree marker in AL.

    One other thing to prepare now is to get your medical records in order. They will require your shots to be up to date, if any of them will expire before March, get them done over spring break. DS was given a very short window before the bag drag, and I had to run up to his college to give him not only his records, but to get a physical done. If I recall properly he needed 3 shots. Tetanus, H1N1 booster, and another booster for something else. Had we known that prior I would have had him do it at home over the break, and send him back with his records. We learned and after that he always had a cd-rom of his med. records with him at college.
     
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  10. SoleTrain

    SoleTrain Must be the Kicks

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    Yeah I got a 97.9 on the PFA (55 push ups, 54 sit ups, 9:20 2400m run). I'm out here in AZ where it is also very common to hit 100 degrees...but I also understand a humid 100 is a different beast from a dry one. I'm all state XC and track, the run is good to go.

    I've heard the horror stories of cadets failing SFT cause they failed the PFA or the written test, but I really don't think that will be an issue for me. Doesn't mean I'll let my guard down though.

    As for medical stuff, I passed the DoDMERB last spring. I guess I'll grab my immunization records too -_-

    Pima does anyone ever look through our private medical records before going to SFT? Or was that done during the DoDMERB (or not)?
     
  11. Pima

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    Your private medical records would be reviewed by DoDMERB theoretically, thus I am not following your question.

    If you get a rated slot you will do a 3 day TDY at WPAFB during your rising sr. yr. for a flight physical. It is 2 days of EKGs, eyes, ears, etc. I don't know what non-rated go through for commissioning exams.

    Yes, there are stories regarding SFT, here is one only a few days ago.

    http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?p=278031#post278031

    Honestly, if you listen to every horror story you'd be a basket case.

    If you look for the bad and ugly behind every corner you will surely find it! Don't worry about what can happen, accept what has happened.

    You get SFT, chances are you will make it to completion/graduation of SFT. You become a POC chances are you will commission.

    HAVE FAITH!

    The thing we all say is: join to serve in any manner. You serve at the luxury of the AF.

    If right now all you want is X AFSC, have a 1 on 1 with your CC. Be honest with yourself regarding ADAF. Maybe if you want only a specific AFSC now is the time to walk. If you are willing to take number 4 on your list when they only ask for your top 3, than you will be happy!

    You will all do fine. If you don't get SFT, and leave AFROTC, trust me you will move on with life just fine.

    God Bless and God Speed.
     
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    You guys either have enormous dets, or mine it tiny. We have 9 200s and 1 250. Also one prior enlisted 250 type guy. Just relax about the stats. I went through 2 years of SA apps worrying about that crap and it really doesnt change anything to worry. Hope you all get to enjoy 4 weeks of fun in the sun next summer with me :yllol:
     
  13. SoleTrain

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    9 200s? Wow that's tiny :eek3:

    And that's good advice Pima. I have shut out all negative FT stories hah. And if I don't get an EA, I'll come back as a 500 (if that's allowed)..
     
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    EA stats 2013 FT

    I am starting to get nervous about the EA selection this time of year. Our Det is very small, and had 8/9 cadets get an EA last year. I want to know if you think I have a chance!

    PFA: 98
    cGPA-2.9 Criminal Justice major
    Commander's ranking- top third, 2nd out of 18 cadets
    ACT: 23, retaking it again soon
    Extremely involved in the detachment. On a good foot with all of the cadre and POC.

    Do you think I have a good chance?? Thanks!
     
  15. Pima

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    Remember that the SFT is not a det by det selection, it is a national board just like the scholarship boards and the AFSC boards.


    Some dets have more success than others, but that is reflective on several things. One of them is training, aka PFT, another is if they do their own mini-boards where they tell the cadets that have little to no chance the true facts, thus the applicants they submit most likely will be selected.

    The reason to look at previous yrs is to get an idea on the stats from your school, esp. in the cgpa area. Although AFROTC HQ announces the stats of those selected for a cgpa, it is still only a baseline for the previous yr.

    EX: The yr group before DS's yr had an avg of 3.1/3.2 for non-tech, but for his yr group it was 3.3/3.4. The reason why it jumped so high was the pool size was much larger, and although they didn't cut the amount of slots, they just had too many cadets for SFT.

    The point is you won't know what this yr will look like until after the selection board releases their results, which is usually at the same time of notification.

    The pool could be much smaller this yr., and that could translate into a lower cgpa.

    The important thing to do is understand that cgpa will keep popping up for your entire AFROTC career. Next yr. as a C300 it will be a big factor for your OML. Be it rated, or non-rated, it is going to ding you for your dream job. You need to get that up at least to a 3.1 as a non-tech to feel comfortable, especially if you are choosing 1 of the top 3 fields. Intel is always a highly demanded field. SP is usually up there too.

    I am not sure if it is too late to re-take the ACT because typically it has at least a 3 week turn around, and depending on your college your CoC may close the books before the results will come back. At our DS's det., the school was closed until 1/25, so the det. had all of the packages ready to go when they left for Xmas break since it was due to HQ, 1 week after they returned, thus nothing was going to change from the day they left.

    Personally, I understand from a fiscal perspective why they are no longer giving the AFOQT to incoming freshman, but I think they should give it to all C200's, because every yr. there are cadets on this board running around at this time taking it or ACT/SAT to pull up their scores. Mainly due to the fact that they just realized their HS ACT is still part of their lives. This is a small forum compared to some other AF boards, so just to have even 1 or 2 AFROTC cadets doing that, you know there are many more down the road.

    For AFROTC 2017, take heed, the scholarship doesn't matter when it comes to boards, the ACT/SAT does, so it is to your best advantage to even take it come April/May your sr. yr. even when you know your results won't impact college selection.

    Think about it, the avg best sitting SAT for scholarship recipients is 1300+, 30 ACT. If 900 scholarships are awarded and accepted, you could have 900 people with a higher PAR than you right off the bat. Many of them also get merit scholarships from their college, and typically colleges demand at least a 3.0 or 3.2, so they may also have a stronger cgpa.

    You don't want to be in college carrying 19+ credits, in AFROTC, and having to take your SAT or ACT again because you realize now that it is part of your WCS for SFT/EA.

    wyo,

    To answer your question directly, I don't know. 2.9 hurts, but if you are attending a high caliber college, it will be offset due the academic profile of the school. I am sure there are many at Ivies, or SMC's with a 2.9 that are selected.

    You have some great positives, high PFT, and top 1/3 det. ranking. The question that still lingers out there is if it is indeed fact that they have changed the scoring system. If they have not I think you are going to be fine. If they have a large chunk where you are weaker in will hurt you.

    If you don't know the change I am talking about is they took about 20% from the CC's rec., and placed it over on the ACT/SAT/AFOQT side.

    Either way, I would take the ACT, or even the AFOQT. The AFOQT/ACT choice is something you want to discuss with cadets in your unit because I believe you can only take it 2x, and unless you have studied for it, it might not be advisable.

    The only problem I can see for you, is many non-tech majors aren't required to take higher level math and science classes. You'd be amazed how quickly you forgot geometry if you haven't taken a math class in over a yr.

    Try to study for the ACT.
     
  16. wyo2011

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    Pima,

    Thank you for all of your insight! I think we actually are going to take the AFOQT here pretty soon. My detachment had people get an EA with around a 3.0/3.1 cgpa. In the past years, cadets have even got an EA with a 2.6 cgpa non tech. I am going to talk to the Lt. Colonel today about if I cant take the ACT. I do not know if they changed the scoring.... as I understood it was still the same as last year. I just hope that there are a lot of slots this year. I screwed up big time my freshman year, and I have really brought my gpa higher since then, I hope that the board sees that. Our det has national awards as well, and the cadre and CTAs at this past years field training knew that our det produces outstanding cadets.

    I want to get into Security Forces for my AFSC. I foresee at the time that I go up for the AFSC board that my cgpa will be much higher.

    Definitely stressing for an EA!
     
  17. Pima

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    If you had cadets that were selected with a 2.6 non-tech, you should be fine.

    2.6 when 3.3/3.4 national avg. last yr speaks volumes regarding you school and the det. The board is looking at the WHOLE PICTURE. Honestly, you are the 1st poster that I have read stating 2.6 as a non-tech was selected.

    In that case, smile and be happy, feel safe.

    The size of the det really doesn't matter. The quality does. Ex: ERAU boasts that they give out the most rated slots after the AFA.

    Totally true, but when you look deeper into it, statistically they offer less slots than VT. As a cadet the number shouldn't matter, the percentage should!

    I would still study for the AFOQT, ACT 23 would be considered by the AFA as non-competitive as a candidate (24 is the min). 95% of AFA candidates will apply for AFROTC scholarships as Plan B, however, 95% of AFROTC scholarship candidates do not apply for the AFA as plan B. You need to realize your weakness, and it lies with that ACT. Sorry, but it is big time.

    When you attend SFT, they will also rank you out. Your PFT is strong, but you will do academics. They will rank you for your AFSC as DG, 1%,5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 50%, below 50%. That score goes into your AFSC board.

    I pretty much figured you wanted SP due to your major. I will say for our DS and his friends, SP was one of the top 3 if they didn't get rated. Intel and Maintenance were the other back ups.

    Talk to your peers and ask for non-rated how competitive is SP?
     
  18. SoleTrain

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    Wow, it's completely different at my det. Last spring we had 15/18 selected, and the lowest GPA accepted was a 2.9. This cadet was GMCA and I imagine was easily top third of their class (at our det our class ranking is unknown to us). Three cadets lower than that were all rejected, and their GPAs definitely hurt them (they were all sitting around 2.5).

    Good luck though. We should have the board results in what, 3-4 months? Really ready to get all this sweating over with. :frown:
     
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    I agree with you SoleTrain, that they had anyone with a 2.6 non-tech cgpa accepted LY is a miracle. My curiosity is if there is any non-tech major that is classified as a mission critical major. If so, than the reason why could be his intended major. For example: Nursing is a critical field, so they have basically 100% rate, but from what I have understood, they are not considered non-tech or tech. If that cadet sees their self for ease of explaining as a non-tech major, that what explain the reason.


    I know DS had stated that there were cadets given the "hard" facts, around this time, and the majority of them opted to dis-enroll due to the reality. I am sure after it was announced a 93% acceptance rate and 100 more slots offered they probably thought they should have stuck it out, but the reality is if many of the dets didn't do this, the pool size would have been larger and the acceptance rate would be much lower. 100 more slots can't take acceptance rate up from 58% to 93% in one yr., unless the pool was much smaller.

    That is something to remember, as I have stated before LY selection rate can only be used as a guideline if all of the factors remain the same. You won't know that info until after the board meets and releases results, so until that you just have to hope for the best.
     
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