AFROTC - FTP Cadets This Year v.s. Last Year

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  1. Palindrome

    Palindrome New Member

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    Please list your Det and how many FTP cadets you have going for an EA slot this year compared to last year.

    Det 470: Last Year= 28 This Year= 9
     
  2. Pima

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    Palindrome.

    Please prove to me you are not a troll and posting for your own enjoyment. You have 2 posts, and you were the 1st that ever stated they wondered about if their record would go forward. Main reason why your thread died was because your det 470 could tell you and we didn't need to explain.

    If you are not; 28 to 9 reflects more about your det than the AF, because that is an inane decrease. AFROTC has stated that there will be 200 more attending.

    Plus, most ROTC labs occur on Tuesday, that means the CC would inform Monday night, Plus any CC worth their weight in salt would never tell the stats, even if a cadet asked. They will call and say Congrats you were selected.

    I hope with every being in my body you are not a troll. I say this because you just scared many cadets who are willing to sacrifice their life for this country to defend your sister, your brother, your parents and you when the next 9/11 occurs. The cadets and their parents are posters/lurkers here and are concerned about their future.

    Being the biggest BEAACCH in the world right now, prove it or walk away. Do NOT place stress on these people.

    I will apologize right away. PM me and I will give you my home address so you can send me a box of crow! Send me chocolate cockroaches, and I will send you a picture of me eating them. Caveat, send me a picture of you in AFROTC uniform with the entire det. 470 all in AFROTC uniform. FWIW that pic should also show the AD personnel too.

    Just don't play with them like it is a joke. 28 and only 9 being awarded will create fear in their hearts. They deserve more.
     
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  3. cire

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    Pima, I think Palindrome is just asking people the number of people at each detachment are competing for a EA slot, not who received one.

    My Det has 17 people who are competing (me included).
     
  4. JeRDLe

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    Yeah, he was asking the number of 200/250/500s going for EAs this year in the different detachments.

    I don't remember how many were competing last year, but i do know my det is down a fair chunk. We're currently at 34 competing at Det 90.

    Also, Pima:
    Our Lead Labs are on Thursday, and the cadets were called in two groups last year and one group was told "congrats" while the other were told "sorry".
    I hear this year it's going to be on an individual basis though.
    Also, they release to everyone all the stats they have on the matter short of personal information on the cadets. (they'll say, "ok, here's the %, it looks like we had cutoff lines generally around these points in your different scores, ect.) we all learn the next LLAB who made it, because they're still in FTP, while those who didn't make it are re-integrated into the less intensive flights.
     
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    Reaper AFROTC Cadet (AS400)

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    Det 810:
    Last year: 35
    This year: 29
     
  6. Palindrome

    Palindrome New Member

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    I'm not trying to troll, just trying to get and idea of whether or not numbers are down from last year. And our details honestly went from 28 cadets going for EAs last year to 9 this year. I'm not trying to stress people out, sorry I'd that's how it came across.
     
  7. Powers45

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    This will make for an interesting case study:

    My Det last year was 28 and this year 24 FTP Cadets applying for an Enrollment Allocation.

    Friend that Goes to Penn State (DET 720) says that they are down to 34 FTP from 40 last year.
     
  8. Jcleppe

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    I think you may have misread the OP's post, kind of a harsh jump to conclusions.
     
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  9. Jcleppe

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    Don't worry about it, your question seemed pretty reasonable to me.
     
  10. frisbforce

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    Embry Riddle Detachment 157: I think there was 50 last year, and this year there's only 35 going up for enrollment allocations.
     
  11. Pima

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    palindrome,

    My apologies. I mis-read your post. I saw EA slots 28 ly and 9 ty. I have no problem eating crow, or chocolate covered roaches when I am wrong.

    Having said that, this is an insane drop in class size. Just out of curiosity why the large drop? If only 9 are C200's and even if 60% go, that would mean your commissioning class would have 5 or 6 cadets, compared to 3 X as many for the yr prior.

    Is your C100 the size of what your 200 class was last yr? Has something drastically happened to drop 75%, i.e. another det became a host det? Did the school admit less freshman last yr than prior yrs?

    It is unrealistic to believe that all 9 will get EA slots, because the board is national. Which again brings it back to how will AFROTC during drawdowns justify keeping that amount of AD personnel?

    For example if current C300's now have 16, and C400's have the identical number, that would leave 32 POC's, typically there is a 60% reduction rate from C100 to commission, thus the avg class size of C100's four yrs ago, or even 3 yrs ago, was 45, total det size @ 120 cadets . If only 6 go this yr., that = 22 for FY 13 re:pOC's and a total det size of maybe 85. If the C100 yr next yr mimics your yr. that will equate to 12 POCs in total and a total det size of 50. A drastic decline in ROTC corps within 2 yrs. AFROTC will be consolidating dets., and that may mean 470 goes on the chopping block due to supply and demand from a cost issue.

    Again, pm me, I will give you my mailing address and will send you a picture of me eating the crow you send me.

    Sorry for misreading your post.

    Now one other thing, nationally ly 55% were accepted and it will do no good at all to compare what the stats were from other dets across the country. The main reason why is some colleges, such as, SMC's (TAMU, Citadel, VT, etc) will have a higher selection rate than the avg, and some colleges will have a lower selection rate than the national avg.

    You can't plot to see if the competition is less based on fewer candidates. The reason why is simple. AF HQ has determined how many officers they will need for 2014-15. They will look at where they are standing with AFA cadets right now. From there they will add in their buffer, for both the AFA and AFROTC, plus plan to add from OCS. OCS is not only for college kids, but enlisted too, so it is a recruitment tool within the AF. They now have a number for FY 15.

    The easiest option for control purposes is AFROTC. If the AFA has more cadets at this point than expected, AFROTC will be a target. We all know right now that LY the AFA cut class sizes to 1150, and TY will cut to 1050. The reason why was the retention raised and they were above the max stated by law. For C200 cadets, it means the AF may feel they still have too many direct commissions, and ROTC is the way to go.

    That also being stated, there is much talk about 200 more cadets going this yr than the previous yrs. Thus, that talk may have come from the AF has breathing room now, and the easiest way to do more direct commissions right now is ROTC, because they don't know how many in 2 yrs from now will apply for OCS.

    The sword cuts both ways on ROTC, mainly due to long term strategic personnel planning.

    I would expect for the 100's next yr is where you will see a big jump in the selection rate. Yes, I know the AF needs to cut 1.9% of personnel, but out of every branch that is the smallest, and can occur through voluntary separation. The AF started cutting 2 yrs ago, and IMPO, for the new cadets, you have entered after the storm, where the sun is now shining.
     
  12. LEWAF

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    I think we had about 15 go up last year and this year we have 14 in my FTP class. So not much of a change.
     
  13. Palindrome

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    Cool! Keep em coming
     
  14. dunninla

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    well, it goes to show that if you're going to take on that role, make sure you're straight on the question!
     
  15. Beardwn

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    Believe we went from 21 last year to 17 or 18 this year.

    Det 020 University of Arizona
     

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