AFROTC Live in the UK

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  1. Michael Farage

    Michael Farage New Member

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    I'm a dual US/British citizen and have lived in the UK since the age of 7.

    I'm in my last year of school here doing A levels (studying Maths, Physics and Psychology) and am in the university application process here. I've applied for Aerospace/Mechanical/Systems Engineering here.

    I want to fly in aircraft mainly as a WSO and I know the best chances of reaching that goal in the US is to get an AFROTC scholarship however I have no idea how I can get one living here.

    Can anyone offer any advice?

    Thanks
     
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    AF REG RECRUITING PROCEDURES FOR THE AIR FORCE- LINK

    2.21. Requirements for Dual Citizens:
    2.21.1. For job classification purposes, the US does not recognize dual citizenship. Individuals who
    claim dual citizenship must to renounce their citizenship to another country and relinquish any foreign
    passports to qualify for a job requiring an “F” sensitive job code (SJC) or US citizenship only.
    2.21.2. Applicants wishing to terminate dual citizenship status must (1) write a statement renouncing
    their citizenship to another country prior to job reservation, and (2) mail (using registered or certified
    mail) any foreign passports to the respective embassies and provide the postage receipt to MEPS prior
    to EAD.
    2.21.3. Applicants who choose to retain their dual citizenship or are unable to renounce their citizenship
    to another country prior to job reservation will be coded with a “B” SJC and classified as a resident
    alien.

    Also Disqualified if; Has previously served in another country’s Armed Forces.
     
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  3. Pima

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    Bullet was a WSO flew 111s out of Upper Heyford, for the AF it is now under the CSO world.

    I think more than anything the problem is you want to go AFROTC. We do have a sister program for UK students at the AFA, but I don't know about ROTC.

    The next issue is probably the bigger issue that you need to contemplate.

    Going AFROTC will not guarantee you a flying position

    WSO are a dieing breed and really only exist now in the 15E. To only go this route to be a flier is something I would never recommend.

    Go AFROTC to serve in the US AF in any position they determine, don't do it if it is only one thing you want to do.

    Flying positions for AFROTC meet a separate board when they are C300's. They take additional tests above and beyond the AFOQT and PFT. They are scored nationally and those scores are tabulated from other factors than what I have mentioned, such as:

    1. TCBM
    2. Commander Rec
    3. ECs: jobs in the det
    4. school gpa
    5. class rank (top 1, 5, 10, 25, 50%) for the det.
    6. Medically qualified

    From there they will score all of the candidates and draw a line at the number of available slots. Above you get it, below and you could be the next Maintenance, Intel, SP, A &F officer, etc for the next 4 yrs of your life.

    No discussions that is it.

    Think long and hard if flying is your only reason to go this route because you will be 3 yrs in before you even know that is an option.

    OBTW I didn't even get into you get UNT and how for an additional yr you must compete to get that WSO spot against everyone else at UNT.
     
  4. Michael Farage

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    Thanks for all the information! Do you know anymore about the AFA sister programme in the UK? I think I did read about something along those lines a while back at Sandhurst but I'm not sure.
     
  5. Pima

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    The AFA does accept students from foreign countries, if I recall correctly you have to go through the UK embassy for that because they will be your nominating source.
     
  6. AFmonkey

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    I have a similar situation to you with a dual citizenship and residing in the UK since I was 2. Have you applied to any American universities or just via UCAS? I don't think you can do AFROTC here in the UK.
     
  7. Pima

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    I am curious about this dual citizenship at this age, because traditionally if you are born to parents that have different citizenship, and 1 is US, they will require you to decide at 18 which country you will declare as a citizen.

    If that is true, this all moot unless you declare the US as your nationality.

    Again, that is hearsay.

    Quick question...do you hold a UK and US passport or just one?
     
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    For me, I am an American citizen by birth. I didn't get my British citizenship until several years later. I do hold both passports and I have never heard of having to choose between the two.
     
  9. Michael Farage

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    I'm a dual US/Bristish citizen by birth, my father is a US citizen and my mother is English. I moved here to the UK when I was 7. I'm 19 and I haven't heard any thing about declaring my citizenship; however saying that my US passport has expired. I contacted the US embassy in London a year or so back and they said to book a passport appointment for a renewal.

    At the moment I've only applied to universities in the UK. It's proving difficult to get in the right direction in applying to American colleges as the school I am at understandably has no clue about the application process.

    The degree course I have an offer for does have international study so I might be able to transfer to a college in the US and hopefully join the USAF after that.

    Are you applying for uni/college?
     
  10. AFmonkey

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    I've applied with UCAS and to universities in the states. My school is the same; everyone stays in the UK. I had to work out the process myself and registering for the SATs and studying for them.
    I also applied for an AFROTC scholarship but didn't get one. If you want more information, PM me.
     
  11. Pima

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    Let me get this right, you have a US birth certificate, but because you have lived in the UK since 2 you are a UK citizen.

    Okay, since I am a Mom, who gave birth not to only 1 child in the UK, but 2, (born 90 and 92) I can tell you that as a US citizen who gave birth in the UK they have British Birth certificates, but within 6 weeks they were classified as American citizens.

    Next question for clarification...do you have a US SS number? Do your folks file US tax returns as US citizens? Are you classified as a dependent on that return?

    I find it interesting that the two of you state that neither were born in the UK, thus to me it is due to the fact that dual is based on a birth parent.

    If I were you I would look into dual since you have a US birth certificate and you did not enter the UK until you were 2....again I have a British short and long form birth certificate for my 2 children, but they are classified as US citizens.
     
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  12. Michael Farage

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    I am a dual citizen due to the fact that I had to move to the UK, my mother was a US citizen but gave it up when she moved back to the UK.
     
  13. AFmonkey

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    I am a dual citizen due to residency in the UK. Yes, I have an SS number but my parents don't file US taxes.
     
  14. Michael Farage

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    Did you get my pm? Not sure if it sent because my internet is slow
     
  15. AFmonkey

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    I got it. I sent you an email.
     

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