AFROTC PT Test and AFOQT Retake

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  1. Rrodriguez

    Rrodriguez New Member

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    I am going to start my second year of AFROTC this August in the fall. I am currently a business major and by field training selection time I should have around a 3.6 GPA. I took the AFOQT and I got around 20s in every section. I have really been thinking about taking it a second time. I know I only have one chance left but I think I'll do better this time around. Also, a concern I have is my PT test. I am good on the waist measurement, however I would like to do better on my push ups, sit ups and run. I currently have around a score around an 85. Does anyone have any good workout plans or suggestions that could improve my score? I want to use this summer to improve as much as I can before the fall semester starts. Thanks everyone.
     
  2. Pima

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    Are you sure 20's on the AFOQT? What was you SAT/ACT?

    I have never heard of a score that low especially when you have a 3.6 cgpa in college. 80 is low for AFOQT.
     
  3. Powers45

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    I thought that the AFOQT was a percentile test, meaning that you are only weighed within your specific class. Unlike the SAT, which is not based on percentile scoring. So yes it is possible to get into the 20's if you miss a few questions. I wouldn't say that an 80 is low for an AFOQT AA composite because I think that would translate into a 1350 SAT or something close to that. Heck I got a 56 AA composite and that translated to 1150!

    *unless you meant 80 total for each section Pima, which would be on the low side.

    But don't be discouraged Rrodriguez you can take the SAT/ACT as many times as you want this summer, but I would wait to take the AFOQT until you're a junior because you only get 2 shots at taking it.
     
  4. Pima

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    DS had a quantitative of 93. Another poster on this site applying for SFT this yr has a 91. Not being antagonistic, but neither our DS or the other poster had anything lower than 80's in one subject, so I am confused with the 20.
     
  5. Powers45

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    I think that would translate to saying that your son scored better than 93% of the cadets in his class. Which is awesome! This is how it was explained to me.

    I think to pass the AFOQT you only need 10 Verbal and 15 Quantative to make it into officership as a GMC/POC, now you would want much higher of course!
     
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    I got between 28 and 36 on the five different sections. I wasn't not as prepared as I should have been and I took it before I started ROTC. I have been studying.I know I will do better the next time around.
     
  7. Pima

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    Rrodriguez,

    Let's leave the AFOQT alone for now.

    I think you need to look at this thread
    http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=24629

    The cadet was like you academically as a 200, and physically too. His AFOQT was 91. His PFA as a 200 was 86-87.

    He is now a 500 hoping for a slot.

    Your PFT will equate to around 15% of your score.

    I am concerned that you stated a waist measurement, traditionally if you meet weight limits, they will not tape. Waist measurement to me implies you were taped.

    Going back to your original question about work out question. You know what the PT test requires. When you are home this summer, run in the rain, run in the height of heat, wake up at 6 a.m. after going to bed at 1 a.m. like college. Do the test everyday. You don't need to lift weights or swim, you need to pass the test at a high level. It is all about taking the test.

    Our DS as a rising 200 spent the summer running in the afternoon when it was 90+ degrees for 3 miles, came home and did the other portions with the required rest breaks. He scored that yr a 98. He practiced the test in extreme conditions so it would be easy when he took it for real.

    PFT is @15% when it comes to SFT selection. You can't afford to have an 85. Not only because of selection chances, but once at Maxwell you will face this again, and that score will add into your ranking from FT. That ranking will now be 15% for your OML, and PFT will be 15% too.

    It is a double whammy.
     
  8. Pima

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    Off topic, but maybe you and Power can enlighten us how the AFOQT scoring has changed.

    The scores the two of you are posting are low from previous yrs. Have they changed it? I can't fathom a 20.
     
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    Every AF PT test does a waist measurement
     
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    The 20s are from not being as prepared for the test as I should have been. Your son did great, but does he have any responsibilities besides making decisions on what he is going to wear and eat for dinner. Between working over 50 hours a week an going to school full time with a family.
     
  11. Powers45

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    Probably haven't explained it properly. Unlike the SAT which you can get 2400 out of 2400 on, The AFOQT Scores do not score as a 91 out of 100. It is a percentile score.

    Courtesy of Base Ops! here:

    "> Each of the five scores are percentile based, meaning they range from 01-99.
    > Statistical analysis indicates average scores are in the 40s for each of the areas.
    > It is highly recommended that individuals interested in being pilots should strive to achieve scores in the 70s or above."
     
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    YES Rrod!

    DS is also merit at his college which required a 3.0, and it was scholars which required him to intern and an additional seminar class, plus at least a 3.2. As a non-tech he took for 3 yrs no less than 19 credits due to this issue. When he interned on the Hill, he had to be there 20 hrs a week, and the commute was @90 minutes total each day. 4 days a week, 6 1/2 hours, plus ROTC, plus academics, plus he was pledging AAS. Yet he managed to pull a 3.4, and a 98 PFT.

    As a HS student he worked 20 hrs a week as a lifeguard and volunteered for Habitat for Humanity too, while being top 10% of his HS class, taking all AP's and attending CC college too when school was in 7-3 5 days a week. During summer breaks he worked 40 hrs. Gas money, car insurance, fun money was all on his dime, not mine. I offered to rent his tux for the Prom and he said NO!

    I get it you have a family, I am not ever going to say that is not stressful. However, before we get into a contest here, he was 18, and to me I will give you credit for holding down a family through this, but give my DS credit that he too busted his arse.

    I get your upset, I know I have created stress, and you are now in defense mode. I can cower and say "yes, they will place your family/work issues into the equation when it comes to the pt", but all that would do is create a false sense of security.

    Like it or not, PFT, AFOQT equal a percentage, and it is not subjective. You have a 85 PFT, PFT is @15% of the score.

    100 pts. you can max at 15. 85 will hurt big time.

    If you want me to blow smoke I will. I will tell you not to worry. If you want me to be honest, don't attack my DS because he was 18 and you believe he had easier. He fought for it too.
     
  13. Pima

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    Powers,

    I know of base ops, and if you look deeper you will see on the rated board they are not 70, they are at the bottom 89, look at the PFA they are all at 98+

    It is like saying here that 3.0 is the min. There are other factors to be placed into the equation.

    Use the rated board equation illustrated

    RSS is commander.

    PFT is still 15%. If selected for FT, you will still get ranked and PFT will be in the equation. Hence double hit!

    AFOQT is 40% That is big. You belong to that forum give me one example of 70 for rated.

    Rated boards go before non-rated when it comes to AFSC. Reason why is if they don't get picked up they live to fight another day, like the techs. Now you are competing with them. They will win that AFSC.

    I bet my life that if you posted there that a 10-20 is acceptable every post would be very negative, so negative that on this site they would be banned or handed out warnings.

    This issue is like scholarships, you need to keep a 2.5, when in reality they need at least a 3.0 to feel semi-safe.
     
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    That's good but working 20 hrs doesn't equal 50+ hours and taking care of a baby. I took 2 hours last semester. You are very helpful I have read a lot of your posts. Everyone's situation is different though.I just talked to the people at my det and they said that I could take retake it this summer or teakettle the afoqt. I was asking about a work out plan or any different sets people used to improve their sit ups/ push ups or run. I plan on taking a practice test at least twice a week.
     
  15. Powers45

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    heh, might be getting everyone confused. I was not talking about the PFA being percentile based. Only the AFOQT is. I would say though that the AFOQT Average Academic Apptitude Percentile for a Cadet is around a 60 because this translates into a 1200 SAT-E. Based on the Average SAT-E/R for last year (1170~) this would seem correct. where the cluster of the median area for the test lies between 25 and 75 Quartile. I know the pilots canidates on the Base Ops forums really need to push into the upper 3rd quartile because this test makes or breaks their chances.

    And yes Pima 20's in most categories is low, but I did not want to deter Rrod because he did technically pass the test on U.S. Air Force terms!
     
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    I meant 20 hours
     
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    I thought I read in a different post that AFROTC cadets were no longer being allowed to take the AFOQT and the ranking would be based only on SAT scores (regarding SFT)...Am I remembering this correctly, or was this just something that was being considered?
     
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    That would be quite harsh on those competing 200s who have never taken the SAT or ACT ;)
     
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    Now it is recommended to take the afoqt during a cadets junior year. The sat/act score could be used in place of the afoqt. I think that is better. A person can take these tests as many times as they want the afoqt is only a two time thing.
     

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