AFROTC Rated Board 2015

You already have your slot prior to going to your FC1. Even if she goes to wright-pat a day before commissioning or even after the chances of her starting UPT any time soon is slim to none. People are waiting months and up to a year just to get orders cut. It may change it by a few months, at most, if any at all. People went all summer into the fall and winter last year, it does not change anything. Its just about when you received your slot and when you get lucky enough to get orders.

Really what I am getting at Pima is it probably wont change anything because he/she will be waiting anyway.

And btw, most do not have reporting orders in hand even by the time they commission.
 
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I should not have said orders, but instead a report date. My DS did not have orders in hand, because orders are typically cut 6-9 weeks prior to report date. However, everyone in his unit knew their predicted report date when they commissioned. Out of the 26 or 28 (can't remember) all of them kept their report date. Maybe it was just my DS det. Bullet had commissioned out of that same unit 25 years earlier than our DS, and even back than he knew on the day of commissioning that he would report to UNT 9 month.

My point still is if they fail the FC1 next spring, the chances are they will be going through the waiver process over the summer after they have commissioned. For me, that would be a little nerve racking because not only will the staff be basically on skeleton (leave and pcsing), but you no longer are at the school to stay in contact with the staff as easy as would be if you are still there. Remember most kids will get jobs to tie them over as they wait to report. Thus, they will be working all day when the staff is there.

Trust me I get that they will wait up to a year to start UPT. Like I said earlier my DS started 4/1. He commissioned 5/26 the year prior. Kevster who commissioned last yr. I believe started the exact same time too. The only difference that occurred between those 2 years was for my DSs year group, the majority of all of the rated were sent casual status no later than by 9/30. Obviously 9/30 is the end of the fiscal year. Kevsters year group were sent casual much later. We know 3 people at UPT, and all 3 of them left for casual in Jan. They all commissioned from different units, and said that everyone at their units were waiting at least 6 months before going casual status. Thus, it appears that the AF is holding off on putting them on casual status like my DS for 6 months. Fiscally, that is a sound move. Think about it if 800 are placed on casual status for 6 months, that is several million they are saving a month.

OBTW, I highly doubt that they will speed up anytime soon. The UPT pipeline is running at full blast. ROTC grads typically always go after USAFA grads. USAFA grads are now also waiting 6-9 months to start UPT. fencers ds (USAFA grad) was in my ds's UPT class.
~ The problem is also not just the UPT pipeline, but also the schoolhouses for whatever airframe are running at full speed and still can't get them in fast enough. At Little Rock, the school house runs their sims 24 hours a day from Noon on Sunday to 12:00 a.m.. Sunday. Iows, they only shut down for 12 hours a week. I know that is also true at SJAFB for 15Es, and I believe Stealth said that was true for his DS and 16 schoolhouse. I am going to ask Bullet today out of curiosity about the 35 schoolhouse. I doubt they do, but maybe it is ramping up with Hill coming on line now. They are out of the initial cadre phase, so now it is the operational phase.

In the end it is a domino effect. RPAs right now are a great example, they can't get enough of them through out of San Antonio, so to fix it they are going back to dropping 2 RPAs out of every UPT class for the next year. That will in turn will also give some breathing room to other school houses since the class sizes out of UPT will remain the same, but have 2 less manned airframes per class dropping or 6 total (all bases) every 3-4 weeks. The only domino that doesn't fall will be UPT.
 
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I figured this is relevant to this thread. I commissioned with a Pilot Slot this past May (2015) and was told to expect to leave in January 2016. I was just notified my EAD is now 30 September (Note: This is not a placeholder date, my detachment just received my orders. I have a Report No Later date the first week of October). This is happening to a bunch of new Lt's across the country. Some are even having their bases changed. I do not know what the AF did, but it seems like things are picking up.
 
Did they change the class date or just the report date. It could be that money has eased up again and they are sending you on casual status for a longer period. This is what they did for my DS.
 
Depends on the base, and I doubt fairy dust came out of nowhere. There are people who commissioned last year and still have not started upt. I'd assume casual or you picked up someone's slot who didn't make the cut.
 
I agree Zero. Last nights drop for XL (Laughlin) was:
XL 15-13
T-38
F-16 international
F-16 Luke
B-52 Barksdale
C-130H Elmendorf AFRC
T-38 FAIP

T-1
C130J Dyess
C-17 McChord
MQ-9x2 Creech
KC-10x2 McGuire
C-17 McChord AFRC
C-5 Kelly AFRC
C-17 Jackson AFRC
KC-10 Travis
C-130J Little Rock
T-1 FAIP
AC-130U Hurlburt
C-130H Little Rock

That basically is a traditional class size, maybe than can push 3 or 4 more in, but still that means between all UPT bases they can only push another 100 +/- a year. Not enough to get this years class showing up 1 Oct. to start UPT in Dec. if they go to IFT in Nov.

Columbus also dropped 18. The only difference was Columbus had only 3 T38 drops, and 15 were T1s. Both had 2 Creech drops.
~~ Betting the pressure is now on for the T1 students. Before it was praying give me anything that doesn't start with the letter E for T1s. Now the E might be pretty. Columbus had not only the MQ-9 x2, but also an EC130 (DM) and an E3 Tinker.

Just my pea brain saying that all that changed was Big Blue decided to put you on longer casual status and get you in for FY 15 instead of FY16.
~ No flaming. Like I said it is my pea brain believing they are going back to years earlier.

Good news is your DOR for O2 will be in the month of July. Kevster for example will have a DOR for O2 in will be in Sept. That O2 pay raise is a nice bump.
 
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Last time I checked my IFT and UPT dates have not changed (Feb and June respectively) so it does seem I will simply have a longer casual status. This surprised me since I thought with all the budget problems flying around, the AF would try to keep casual status to a minimum.
 
Wow...June UPT with a Feb IFT? That is amazing.

DS went to IFT in Feb., returned and started UPT 3 weeks later.

June would put you at what 17-11?
~ FY 16 starts 10/1, thus when you wing you would be FY 17.
 
In regards to the FC1 if possible I would try and take it as early as possible. I needed a waiver that required about 6 months of observation. Had I taken it close to my commissioning date I would have had a difficult and stressful time getting everything in order. Summer seems to be when most ROTC cadre change out. So if you have a complex waiver process going on that is needed before your orders can be cut, having a new cadre member learning the ropes will not help. More time = more options if a roadblock comes up. It seems that while some people get straight up DQed most will at least have an option for a waiver. Some waivers are a formality (doc signs a paper at WP) while others require additional appointments with civilian docs that need to be submitted back to WP (my case).

Pima, I wish I had started in 16-07! For those of you heading out to UPT bases bring a few books to read. I have been washed back 4 times since getting here. I EADd in January and finished IFT in March. I was supposed to start UPT in August, then Sept, then early November and now I'm set for late November. It's weird because when I got here they gave us all a start date but then promptly told us that we would be washed back. This happened every time except for my current start date. So some dates will be assigned with the knowledge that they will be moved back a few times. So for those of you with orders, be flexible if a change happens. Orders can be canceled and amended. If we don't get wash back anymore my class will have waited for about 1.5 years to start UPT with 11 of those months being on casual. From what I have heard VN and CB seem to also be backed up as well.

So in the end, embrace the delay and try and make the time as productive as possible. I decided to take some masters classes and have managed to get roughly a third of it knocked out. UPT is also an awesome time for people to get their finances in order by saving and paying off student loans. Del Rio offers little opportunity to spend money outside of Wal-Mart and the glorious new Chick-fil-a that recently opened. I hear Enid and Columbus are about the same. Whatever you do just keep a great attitude and look forward to the awesome opportunity ahead of you.
 
So that makes you what 17-03 or so?

As far as the being able to save money, at least at Del Rio kevster is right. My DS managed to buy his wife's engagement ring, pay for their wedding and honeymoon, paid for her to fly to TX every 6 weeks from NC, and also pay off 1.5 years of his car loan. Plus, he also saved a lot of money so they could buy their 1st home in Dyess. He was at Del Rio for @20 months (6 months casual)
~ He wasn't unique in the amount that he could save. Fun in Del Rio is a 2 1/2 hr drive to San Antonio!

I have to say when we went to Laughlin for his winging, I was floored. I told Bullet that this should be considered a remote tour! I laughed and cried for these people when I saw the BX and commissary. Even as an ADAF wife for 21 years I never saw something so small.
~ They do have a great gym and the base hotel is very nice.

Finally, I do feel for you guys. If I am doing my math correctly, basically you are now in until @12 years due to the commitment. I wonder how that impacts your group from a walking perspective. If the O4 meets at 10 yr point it will be a harder decision. My DS will be able to make that decision earlier because he will be less than 365 days. Commissioned 2012, winged 2014, 2023 is walking for him. If they stay at 10 years for O4s, that would be 2022 when he can hit the button since he will be 1 year out, or the same time the O4 list comes out. For you guys, you would still owe 2 more years, so do you accept the promotion and owe more time, or do you not accept and basically go non-vol to the last assignment, plus loss of pay at an O4 rank?
~ I know confusing, but I have seen guys that were placed in this situation.

Kevster, use up that leave because they won't allow you to go during UPT unless the school is down (Xmas). If you are casual for 11 months, that is basically 30 days. Go home for Xmas for 2 weeks, than by the time you wing, you will be darn near close to 45 days. Once winging, even if you burn through 30 more between SERE/Water and reporting to FTU, you would go back to not being able to take leave for 6-9 months, bringing you back to 45 again. You probably won't take leave for the 1st few months at your operational unit, which means you could be at use or lose that year.
~ DS was told during casual status to take leave now for that exact reason, and he only waited 4 months to go to IFT, returned and started UPT 3 weeks later.
 
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