AFROTC Rated Boards 2016

So here are my current stats compared to ENJJPT averages from last year:

Mine:
GPA: 2.75
PFA: 99.6
PCSM: 98
FT Rank: 12/24
RSS: 1/4 (to clarify I'm the number one out of 4 cadets in my FY)

ENJJPT AVG:
GPA: 3.509
PFA: 98.58
PCSM: 83.2
FT Rank: 3.65/20
RSS: 3.48/20

Are ENJJPT selections made using the same data as regular pilot boards or will I be able to resubmit using data from the end of Spring semester? I switched majors late and have been trying to salvage my GPA. I should have around a 3.2 or 3.3. Thanks!
 
Zero,
The problem right now is the pipeline.
There is a class of 14 poster here that just started UPT this month. He graduated in May, casual status in Jan. By the time he is at his 1st operational base, on a good day he will be in for 3 years +. My DS (2012) started his UPT at 11 mos. after graduation (went casual after 4 mos). Many in his class were also USAFA grads, so it wasn't just ROTC that went casual for almost a year.

They can't speed up the pipeline at any higher rate than it is running currently for several reasons.
1. At UPT it is not just about enough IPs, but also airframes. There just isn't enough of them to speed up the pipeline.
2. Many schoolhouses are the same. The sims are running 24 hrs a day 6 and 1/2 days a week. There were times by DS was taking a sim at 2 a.m. on a Saturday.

Thus, their only option is to slow down in the amount of the incoming flow of students. I believe they did this last year. If I recall last year they only selected 400 some odd for UPT from ROTC, add in USAFAs 500+ and 200 OCS. That is theoretically what they can pump through in one fiscal year.(300 for Columbus, Del Rio, Vance, and 180 at ENJJPT).

It really is a numbers game. I get they need more pilots and RPA pilots, but with the backlog they can turn to this one year group and say we are dropping fewer slots so the wait time shortens without doing any damage.
~ Seriously think about it. Class of 15 right now will probably not start IFT until 16s have commissioned and that is if they are lucky. Same will be true for 16s when 17s commission Handing out UPT to just USAFA and OCS for 17, no ROTC grads would mean @750, and now the pipeline is back on track, not 16-19 month wait for UPT.

Now would they do that impo? Heck, no! The morale would plummet for ROTC. However, if they placed a hard line and say if the cadet does not have at least a 50 on the PCSM they will not be considered it does the job for a morale perspective.
~ Cadets get it, and know that they will than be sent directly to the non-rated board.

Big Blue created this problem impo, the minute they turned and said cadets must "track" if they are going to go rated prior to SFT selection.
~ I get for them they believed from a manpower planning perspective they now had an eyeball how many would apply as a 300. However, the unintended result after SFT selection for 14 (58%) created the gaming system for SFT candidates that were on the fence and saw the 14 results may mean a much larger pool size than 14.

Hence, Sled could be correct for this year group. They could have had a higher % signing rated than 14, and trying to get the schoolhouses in order, they know right now that 50 is going to be the make or break.

Just my opinion, on how I see things from a different view/picture. It is not just about them knowing that they will have a shortage soon due to the commercial airlines hiring, but they have also know that the backlog is so bad, that for 17 they can take less. Worse case scenario if they see next year that the pipeline is moving faster now, they can pull from the alternate list or OCS selection board.
~ In 2012, our friend's DS applied OCS. He did not put CSO on his application. He got CSO because they told him the only UPT slots awarded were to prior E or candidates with flight hours. He had neither.
~~ There have been years where they cancelled 1 of the 2 rated OCS boards. OCS is like SFT selection, a way to control the spigot.

My opinion, and with 2.07 you can get a small starbucks coffee, but I think that looking at last years numbers for ROTC, and the backlog Sled's post might be a shack (on target)! We do not know the pool size for the 300 pool. We can't say 50 PCSM is wrong if 65% went to SFT (signed rated paperwork).
~ That would be over 1150 candidates vying for rated. If they drop UPT, CSO, and RPA because the backlog to even 60%, that would be 702. no alternates.
~~ I believe last year for UPT AFROTC it was @440. 800 and change for all 4, including alternates.

It is a mathematical equation for HQ. Yes, they know the shortage. Yes, they know that even with throwing 6 figure bonuses on top of flight pay their retention rate is way below 75%, but that doesn't change the fact that they can't push them throw faster, they have a backlog and are still dealing with sequestration...budget is still being cut.

Honestly, the only way to get back on track...shorter EAD and no casual time, HQ AFROTC would have to go 0% for 17. That is how bad it is.
~ DS's friend (12 grad) went UNT. He winged in 14. Medically he had some issues once operational. They decided he would go RPA. He had to wait as an ADAF officer 6 months to get an RPA school slot. Just saying that is how bad the backlog is all over.
~~ He was casual as an O2 CSO that had been re-assigned already, just spinning his wheels because because the school was backlogged.
Also to add to it around 90% were selected for SFT this year. We are now the ones going up for the boards so I expect a HUGE number of us to apply.
 
Agreed Sled.

That was my point earlier. Nobody knows how many cadets when they applied for SFT agreed to apply for rated. Run the numbers.... let's just say for grins and giggles:
1900 went, and 60% signed the paperwork, that is 1150 candidates for the rated board.
Now on a very good day for UPT that means every ROTC cadet would fill up every single pilot slot available for an entire fiscal year. Just not realistic from a numbers game.

Now if they even take the same number for all rated (UPT, UNT, RPA and ABM), 800 in total, including alternates, than you are at 70% overall. If you use the number of @400 for pilot select, you are at @35% chance.

I doubt that the CoC stated anyone with under a 50 would not be considered, but instead said anything under 50 will probably not result in getting rated, or at the very least Pilot if you look at my above scenario with a 35% chance than 50 is logical.

Overall, the thing is going to be how many signed that paperwork last yr., if it got to even 70%, than that will be over 1300 rated applicants. For pilot that would bring down the chance to 30%. (400 selected). If they go down even to 300 pilot selects so the backlog at UPT is fixed, than you are under 25%.

Not trying to be Debbie Downer. Just doing the math. I get that everywhere there is the talk of how in the next 5-10 years commercial airlines will be hiring at a very fast pace, and most of them will come from the AF, but right now the AF can't get them through fast enough, and they now have to address that 1st...how long do we have them wait to go AD, and once AD how long do we have them wait to start a rated school?
~ Using kevster (2014) is 18 months to start UPT too long with them being casual for 9-10 months?
 
So here are my current stats compared to ENJJPT averages from last year:

Mine:
GPA: 2.75
PFA: 99.6
PCSM: 98
FT Rank: 12/24
RSS: 1/4 (to clarify I'm the number one out of 4 cadets in my FY)

ENJJPT AVG:
GPA: 3.509
PFA: 98.58
PCSM: 83.2
FT Rank: 3.65/20
RSS: 3.48/20

Are ENJJPT selections made using the same data as regular pilot boards or will I be able to resubmit using data from the end of Spring semester? I switched majors late and have been trying to salvage my GPA. I should have around a 3.2 or 3.3. Thanks!

Just curious on how you think you can pull your cgpa up to a 3.2 or 3.3 with only 1 more semester even if the ENJJPT board is next fall?
2.75 x 5 semesters, plus a 4.0 divided by 6 still puts you at @2.95.
~~ Yes, I know we have to go into the credits, maybe you are taking 21 the next semester compared to 15 prior, but you still would have to pull a 4.0 impo to jump 0.5 + on your cgpa.

Remember it is a % assignment for rated boards. Your PCSM, RSS and PFA are high. However, that is only 75% of the score. Your FT and cgpa are not competitive. I would think you are fine for getting a pilot slot, but ENJJPT maybe iffy because even on this site there are posters that went to USAFA, graduated top 10% of their class and not selected.

I am guessing with a 98 PCSM, you have your PPL. I get wanting ENJJPT for the assumption that only F airframes drop, but as strange as it might sound, you might be better off not going to ENJJPT. Winging is not just handling the stick, it is also academics.
~ You can bypass IFS/T and go directly to UPT, but you will spend a lot of time doing academics before you get your dollar ride in the T6. Your academic test scores are also part of the equation. They give out awards at the winging ceremony. Fencers DS won at Vance. I think he missed @6 questions out of all of the tests...@800 test questions.
~~~ use the search here and find the poster Raimius. His signature line is a link to his blog...the 1st few pages are all USAFA, but than he goes into life at IFT and UPT. How nothing like you endured in college is what life will be like at UPT...it is 6 days a week 5 a.m. to 10 p.m. studying and chair flying 54 weeks straight...no summers off.
~~~~~ Posters like Stealth, Fencer and myself (none of our kids went ENJJPT) will tell you that we were happy to get a 10 min. phone call once a week.

Think of ENJJPT like going to an Ivy league college. Everyone there is the top tier. All of the sudden you are in a pool of valedictorians and superstars. The slate is wiped clean.

This was the latest ENJJPT drop
ENJJPT 16-02

B-52
A-10
F-16 x 3
F-22
F-15E x 2
T-38C
T-6
KC-10
RC-135
C-130

As you can see @50% will not get an A or F airframe right out of the gate from there. The upshot currently is only ENJJPT for FY16 is excluded from dropping 2 RPA assignments out of each class like the other UPT bases.

You should go for it because you don't want to live your life with what ifs, but I can say as a spouse (Bullet flew the 15E, starting in 1994 until 2008), Only 1 of our friends in all of our tours went to ENJJPT. Just saying it is not going to be the make or break if you want a fighter.
 
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A guy from my det just got an ENJJPT slot, his grades are terrible, guy had a 2.6 cgpa when he went for his EA so he probably didn't have higher than a 2.8 when he got his pilot slot and then ENJJPT. There's hope for ppl with crappy gpa's if their other stats or great.
 
Was always told ENJ was extremely CC dependent and depended on how hard they pushed to get you in there, or who they know.
 
Heard from my Cadre that with the manning increase this may be a high selection year. No guarantee of course, but maybe good news.
 
What would be the benefit of going ENJJPT if at the end of the day nothing is really different from SUPT?
 
ENJJPT does not have a T-1 track and SUPT does.

Guessing that anyone sent to Del Rio would also say LOCATION!
 
Anyone else recently retake the TBAS? If so, how much of an improvement? If any.

I just recently retook the TBAS and my score went from a 65 to an 86. I am in the 40-60 hour bracket.

I'm hoping ENJJPT as well any chances with these stats?

PCSM: 86
PFA: 99.3
GPA: 3.01
RSS: 1/1 (I am the only one in my class going up for rated boards)
FT: 10/22
 
I just recently retook the TBAS and my score went from a 65 to an 86. I am in the 40-60 hour bracket.

I'm hoping ENJJPT as well any chances with these stats?

PCSM: 86
PFA: 99.3
GPA: 3.01
RSS: 1/1 (I am the only one in my class going up for rated boards)
FT: 10/22

If I'm not mistaken, I think RSS is your rank within your whole 300 class. I just retook it as well and am now sitting on a 68.
 
If I'm not mistaken, I think RSS is your rank within your whole 300 class. I just retook it as well and am now sitting on a 68.
Technically speaking it's you in comparison to everyone else commissioning in your fiscal year. So it's everyone commissioning FY17 for us. If you have 400s doing a 5 year track they're with us. If you have 300s doing a 5 year track they aren't with us
 
Interested in hearing the gossip/verdict, so here's my stats;
PCSM: (Unknown, TBAS on Thursday, 85 pilot AFOQT, 12.7 hours)
PFA: 96
GPA: 3.9 - Comp Sci
FT: SP (3/24)
RSS: 1-3/15
 
Interested in hearing the gossip/verdict, so here's my stats;
PCSM: (Unknown, TBAS on Thursday, 85 pilot AFOQT, 12.7 hours)
PFA: 96
GPA: 3.9 - Comp Sci
FT: SP (3/24)
RSS: 1-3/15

Not a chance! Look forward to flying a desk for the rest of your career...
 
Does anyone know if you can retake the TBAS in under 180 days with a waiver of some kind?
 
A Cadre member shared the 2015 rated board averages with me today. I attached a screenshot of the email.
 

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Wanted to update, got my PCSM today.

PCSM: 65
PFA: 96
GPA: 3.9 - Comp Sci
FT: SP (3/24)
RSS: 1-3/15
 
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