AFROTC Rated Boards 2016

This waiting game is gonna be fun... does anyone think that we will hear midweek or is Friday the consensus?
My commander likes to do funny things at times to give news. For example, we just had an Intel select got offered a CSO spot. He told him in our AS class after asking all these questions about Intel; basically just asked, "what you think about CSO?"

But I believe he'll do the same thing as last years results; he told them after our LLAB Thursday evening. Don't see it going past Friday.
 
My commander likes to do funny things at times to give news. For example, we just had an Intel select got offered a CSO spot. He told him in our AS class after asking all these questions about Intel; basically just asked, "what you think about CSO?"

But I believe he'll do the same thing as last years results; he told them after our LLAB Thursday evening. Don't see it going past Friday.
How do you just get offered a CSO slot? Did he apply for it or did the AF just extend an offer randomly? I keep hearing about short notice rated slots (typically CSO or ABM) being offered to cadets on the FB forum so Im trying to understand how that works.
 
How do you just get offered a CSO slot? Did he apply for it or did the AF just extend an offer randomly? I keep hearing about short notice rated slots (typically CSO or ABM) being offered to cadets on the FB forum so Im trying to understand how that works.
There was that continuum board not too long ago (want to say maybe October time frame) that he tried to get a CSO slot, but he didn't get one. So I'm guessing one or a few of those couldn't pass the physical, got kicked out, etc. And his name must've came up as one to fill one of the vacated slots.
 
A cadet in my detachment who got passed up originally ended up getting an RPA slot later on.
 
If you end up on the alternate list, there is a chance you will get a slot during your AS400 year if you're a 300 now. I didn't get a slot in Feb 2015 and ended up getting an RPA slot in fall, then HQ offered me a pilot slot a few weeks ago. If you want it bad enough, it can happen in a nontraditional way (i.e. when you least expect it). Best of luck to you all!
 
Yeah still waiting here.
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That is a surprising number for pilots, as in low.

If you look at the fact that between the 3 UPT bases + ENJJPT, and assuming that @500 will come from USAFA, than that totals out to be @150 less than just the 3 bases will wing within a FY. Add in ENJJPT you are about 250 less. My assumption those slots will go to OCS or xtrain AD members
~ Assume 14 classes with @ 25 each = 320. X3 = 960. + 180 for ENJJPT = 1140.
~~ 350 (AFROTC) + 500-550 (USAFA) leaves 250 for OCS.

Now if you add in the fact that at least 35% will wash out between IFT and UPT, the number would be around 1600 total per FY for pilot. I wonder if the number is that low because right now the wait time to start UPT is over a year...easy. Lowering the amount selected this year means they can reduce the wait time.
~ Back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, USAFA grads would start UPT within 60-90 days after graduation. Not so much now.

It will be interesting to also see if Big Blue backs off from only FY 16 will drop RPAs out of UPT. The RPA world is bleeding so badly now that they are pulling from the heavy world after their 1st assignment. That is going to bite them in a few years...sorry, but right about when you guys will wing. The reason why is those heavy pilots will now be sent back into the rated world.

Pima,

Our wingking commissioned in spring 2014 and it was roughly a 6 month wait for EAD and UPT and he just winged last December. Now the wait is 1 year+ ?
And you said the number of slots dropped were low, do you know the number of pilot slots drop in recent years?
 
kevster here commissioned in May 2014, reported too Laughlin in Jan. 2015, and started UPT in Oct., I believe. Thus for him it was 1+ year. My DS (AFROTC) was commissioned with Fencers (USAFA) and they both started UPT 11 mos. after commissioning. Bullet's boss's DS commissioned May 2013, He winged in Nov. 2015. Even Hornetguy before his eye issue had a report date of Nov 1, and before he got caught up with the eye problem they had already pushed him back two or three times.
~ Stealth's DS commissioned USAFA 2011, and I believe he started in Feb or Mar 2012. Thus, he too waited @9 months before he started UPT.

Now all of them were at Laughlin so maybe it is just that base that is having a long wait, but from what I have seen here it has been more the norm to wait 6-9 months to report, and then they wait on casual status for several months, now add in 54 weeks to winging and they are at 2 years start to finish from commissioning.

As far as the numbers, they have been dropping now for awhile. I believe last year they dropped close to 390 or 10% more than this year. Just my opinion, but what I have also seen is Big Blue opened up the pipeline for AD boards (xtrain and OCS). I believe it was back in 202 or 13, that they actually cancelled one of the rated OCS boards. (typically there are 2 boards...Jan and July) That year they only had 1 board.
~ Our friends DS went OCS in 2013. He was given a UNT slot, even though he only put pilot down, nothing else. The recruiter flat out told them that there were no pilots dropping via the OCS path except for prior Es. According to another forum this year 250 pilots dropped for OCS and xtraining (CSO/Nav to Pilot). He too had to wait. Commissioned Aug. 2013, went IFS Oct. Told his UNT class start date would be Nov. He was pushed back to Dec., and than pushed back again to Feb 2014.Winged Mar 2015.

~ Add the numbers together, @1150 for all UPT bases, @550 out of USAFA, 350 out of AFROTC, than it makes sense when you add in the OCS/xtrain portion of 250.

I have also seen that in the past year or so, that alot more are being picked up on the supplemetal board. DSs unit had 13 picked up for rated out of 13. The only one that did not get pilot right off the bat was due to his eyes, he got CSO. One cadet got notified in Jan., that he got picked up for RPA, so they had 14 in the end. Just saying back then it seemed chances were low to get picked up off the alternate board than I have seen lately where many do get that 2nd chance.

For cadets going up, whatever you get, remember that the path is still going to twist and turn. If you don't get pilot, it can change before commissioning. If it doesn't and you go CSO, than realize you are young enough still to xtrain after your 1st op tour. Same is true if they send you non-rated.
~ DSs friend opted non-rated. She went maintainer and after a couple of years in, she has decided to try for UPT.

I would also stress this is the time to start getting flight hours if you have none. Get those medical records in order. Selected for UPT and they will send you to WPAFB this summer. This is not a DoDMERB exam, this is an FAA FC1 physical. It will be a 3 day TDY and they will give you the once over up and down like you have never seen. It will include everything from dental to an EEG. The final exam is a review by a flight surgeon.

Enjoy the moment if you get your dream AFSC, enjoy your senior year, because anyone and everyone that has winged will tell you that 51 of the 54 weeks at UPT is pure hell. Friday from 4 p.m to Sunday at noon is basically your only downtime. I believe in the year at UPT you will answer @800 academic questions on top of sim and flight check rides. Chair flying is real. It is emotionally draining when you get an 88 ride. It is even more draining when people get FEBd out of your class.
~ Out of the 12 that went UPT from my DSs det. 7 winged. Which statistically is on par with the AF.

For those that do get UPT, if you have not read Raimius's blog I suggest you do so while you wait for the results to be released. His tagline is a link to it. You have to go through the 1st few pages which is all about USAFA life to get to what life is like at IFS and than UPT. It is spot on what life will be like as a UPT student.
~ The only thing that may be different now is that it is no longer called IFS, but now it is IFT.
~~ Big Blue decided to change it from the S (Screening) to T (Training) because they supposedly felt that too many were being FEBd out of IFS. @15-20%. It use to be bust a ride, you went to an 88, bust an 88 and you went to an 89. Bust an 89 and you went to an FEB. They now see IFT as just getting them up to snuf for UPT, no longer as the 1st weeding.

I would also say that learning how to memorize the BOLD is important, starting at IFT. They do not throw you up right away into the DOSS airframe. Instead, you will do academics 1st, and within 48 hours of reporting you will have a BOLD exam. Miss where a colon, a period, etc goes, than you got the question wrong.

Good luck to all. Thank you for wanting to defend this great country. In 3 years from now when you are at your 1st op base you will look back and laugh.
 
Our wingking commissioned in spring 2014

For a second there I was totally confused. Your wingking commissioned in 2014? Me: Surely, that was a typo. and you meant the wingking commissioned him in 2014, and than I realized that is what you call your DS.

What airframe did your DS get? I am guessing that right now he is doing 1 of the following:
1. SERE
2. Water Surival
3. PIT
4. Airframe schoolhouse
 
For a second there I was totally confused. Your wingking commissioned in 2014? Me: Surely, that was a typo. and you meant the wingking commissioned him in 2014, and than I realized that is what you call your DS.

What airframe did your DS get? I am guessing that right now he is doing 1 of the following:
1. SERE
2. Water Surival
3. PIT
4. Airframe schoolhouse

Haha no by wingking I meant cadet wing commander. There the lingo for our detachment and others too I'm sure. I'm an as300 and awaiting boards and have no kids that I know of right now haha. The cadet wing commander I was talking about got dropped cv-22 and is starting training right bout now. As for me I've got about 60 hours and I do plan on finishing up my privates if I do get a pilot slot so I can skip IFT.
 
I would not place the CWC in the same pool as the avg cadet when it comes to report time. Be honest with yourself, and posters here...was he the only one that reported and started UPT 6 mos., after commissioning? If so, than he was the rarity, and unless you are on track to be the CWC or CVWC don't bank on it. Bank on 6-9 months to report for casual status, and at least a month or 2 before you go to IFT. Than bank on at least a few weeks before you start UPT.

I also would say that my DS got 2 EADs before he even commissioned, and 2 after commissioning.
1st: Mar his AS400 yr: May 10th RNLTD.
~ Funny bc graduation was May 12th.
~~ Obviously HQ AFROTC revoked it.
2nd: Mid Mar May 28th RNLTD
~ Funny again bc commissioning was May 25th, and AF said it was 3 days travel. No way he could meet that one even if he left right after commissioning
~~ Obviously HQ revoked this one too
3rd: August 8th
~ Mid June, after graduation he was informed it was pushed back
4th: 1st week of Aug
~ Final drop with an RNLTD 9/30.

I will say 1 cadet left 10 days after commissioning...they were the CWC. The rest all left for casual status in Aug and Sept.
 
I didn't think CWC and CVWC affected ead dates, I thought it depended on base assignment. I also failed to mentioned the CWC and CVWC were both awarded enjjpt slots and got the same EAD. And I just talked to an LT who commissioned last spring (2015) and he doesn't go to upt until May 2016 at Vance afb so that is one full year. I understand now there's isn't much the af can do to unclog the pipeline, so to speak than to reduce the number of slots. Oh well I have my fingers crossed but this anticipation is killing me and I'm sure for others as well.
 
ENJJPT only wings @160-180 compared to 320+ traditional UPT . I think they have 8 classes, whereas, Laughlin, Vance and Columbus have 14 (?) Thus, the wait time is going to be different.

I am curious why you questioned me about 1+ yr when you already know that it is true via the )1 AF friend.

Your friend that commissioned in May 2015. shows up in May 2016, and if they have to go to IFT, that means mid Aug 2016 at best to start UPT. Thus, Sept. 2017

2 years before they hit their schoolhouse airframe, and nor does it include:
~ WAIT TIMES between winging and SERE, SERE an Water Survival, Water and Schoolhouse.

More info (fencer and my DS both went C130J Dyess)
UPT class start 4/1
Wing 4/23

MY DS:
5/10 SERE
6/7 Water Survival
7/5 RNLTD Little Rock School House
2/1 RNLTD Dyess

I believe Fencers DS went water 1st, than SERE, started Little Rock 7/15. Both are at Dyess now, but in different squadrons. Same UPT drop from the same UPT base and class... Dyess.
 
For those lazy posters here is a snippet from Raimius
So, You Want to be a Pilot? (IFS)

With a sizeable portion of USAFA grads going into flying AFSCs, I thought it might be a good idea to talk a bit about the Air Force’s pilot training program.
The Air Force starts by sending every student pilot to Initial Flight Screening in Pueblo, Colorado. Pueblo is about an hour south of Colorado Springs and USAFA, so many grads end up visiting friends still at the academy at some point.
IFS is currently run through Doss Aviation. Doss has a full-service training complex at the airport. Lodging, dining, a gym, academics, and flying are all done out of the Doss facility. The building is fairly nice, but oddly, none of the hotel rooms have windows (most are on the interior of the building.) The lack of windows and a schedule that keeps most students either on the flightline or in the building for most of the week has earned Doss a few nicknames. I preferred the “USS Doss,” as it seemed almost like a land-bound aircraft carrier—everything in the building, except the flightline, and you don’t leave often! One good thing about the facility is the dining hall. The food is good, and you can get quite a lot of it, if you want. They usually have sandwiches, cooked meals, a short-order grill, and deserts. I never heard anyone complain about the food, so it was definitely much more appreciated than Mitch’s.
The program itself is a serious sprint for most students. IFS tries to introduce Air Force style pilot training to students in classic “fire hose” style. The first week is academics, and consists of long days of briefing after briefing, with some tests thrown in. The tests aren’t unfair, but they are not particularly easy either. Passing is 85%. For the first week, most students will get up, get breakfast, go to briefings for the day, and study in the evening. Most material is posted on the Doss system, accessed via loaner computers provided to every student. I HIGHLY recommend completing all online reviews to 100%, as they are very similar to the tests, even though it is time intensive. Failing out of IFS for academics is frowned upon (i.e. the AF might not give you another AFSC). Don’t be stupid (seemingly always good advice).
Once flying begins, things are structured much like Phase II of UPT (T-6As). Expect to have a mass brief with your flight 1st thing in the morning, including stand-up EPs. Stand-ups are where an Instructor will provide a situation for a student to analyze and solve. You will be expected to figure out what is wrong, apply the correct procedures, and describe how you will safely land the plane. Several emergencies have Boldface items—checklists that must be stated and completed VERBATIM from memory. Don’t stutter or try to change something part way through. It’s already too late, and you have failed the stand-up. After the mass brief, each student will study, go work-out, or fly. Each flight starts with an individual briefing with the Instructor Pilot. It will cover things like take off and landing distances (TOLD card), weather forecasts, the profile for the flight (where you are going, how you’ll get there, and in what order), safety topics, and a few other details. After this, you will go sign out an aircraft at the step desk, and step to the flightline.
One the flightline, students preflight the aircraft. This is about 90 items of checklist material before engine start. You’ll start slow, but be able to get it down in about 10-15 minutes by the time you have your checkride. Once you start, you’ll taxi to the main ramp, run up the engine, and depart. You’ll fly one of several departures to practice areas or auxiliary fields for your maneuvers. Each flight will include some pattern work and area maneuvers. None of the maneuvers are terribly complicated, but some of them have precise limits to pass (for example, some maneuvers will allow up to 10 knots of extra airspeed, but zero knots below the briefed airspeed). For students without much experience, the hard parts are knowing the procedures (altitudes, airspeeds, radio calls, headings, etc) well enough to recall them while trying to fly the aircraft and talk to the IP, and developing situational awareness. It is similar to learning to drive in 3 dimensions. Most people aren’t used to it, and don’t know what to focus on at what times. Having situational awareness allows you to plan and stay “ahead of the aircraft.” You never want to be reacting to what is happening around you, but rather be planning what to do in the next few minutes or how you will enter and exit the next maneuver.
As you progress, the requirements for how well you can fly each maneuver will increase. At first, you will just have to attempt things. After a short time, you will have to do them safely. By the time you hit your checkride, most things will have to be within a set of parameters, described for each maneuver. This is called MIF. Each maneuver will have a set MIF to make (U for unsat, F for fair, G for good, and E for excellent). U is a failing grade, but the expectation for most new maneuvers. F is what I would call “ugly but reasonably safe.” G is within maneuver limitations, and generally a pretty well done maneuver. E is usually awarded for maneuvers flown in “textbook” style.
Some students will progress faster than others. The guy with 2300 hours (who flew professionally as a civilian) was able to skip most of the normal flights and proficiency advance very quickly. Others will hit occasional road blocks, and have to repeat rides or start the elimination process. If you fail three daily rides in a row or the checkride, you go to a “progress check” or “88.” The 88 is a one-time check to see if you have the skills to keep advancing. If you pass, you go back to training as normal. If you fail the 88, you go to an “elimination check” or “89.” Eighty-nine rides are things to be avoided! It is basically a pass/fail ride to see if you will continue IFS or wash out. That said, there can be multiple 89 rides. For example, if you fail daily rides and get sent to an 88 and 89, pass the 89, then fail your checkride later on, you will get another 89 ride. After the 89 ride, there is a final commander’s review. Generally, the CR goes with the results of the 89. Occasionally, there will be extenuating circumstances and the student will be allowed to continue training.
Most of the way through the program, students will have a chance to solo. The solo is a confidence builder for students, and demonstrates that the IPs trust them not to crash in the pattern. Solo sorties are generally 3 trips around the traffic pattern, then a full stop. It is nothing fancy, but exciting none-the-less. If it is your first solo, it will be something you remember for a LONG time.
For me, the DA-20 was the 2nd aircraft I soloed. I had done the powered flight program at the academy, in a DA-40. My solo was interesting, haha. We flew up to Butts Army Airfield at Ft. Carson, flew a couple patterns there, then taxied to parking, shut down, and my IP got out. He gave a few words of advice, then left for the control tower. I started the engine, requested to taxi to the runway, and take off. I got my taxi clearance, and started moving, only to hear something quite unexpected. “Tiger 54, Solo, confirm your flaps are set to Take-off?” …Uh…OK. I looked over at the flap indicator, only to see them indicating full up—Cruise configuration. Well, that’s odd!...(slam the breaks to stop taxiing). What the heck did I miss on the checklist?! Engine start went well. All those items are good. Let’s see…OH! THE ENTIRE ENGINE RUN-UP CHECKLIST! That would be good to do! Apparently, in my excitement, I had forgotten that since there was no Doss ramp/main ramp split, I had to do my run-up where I had originally parked…oops! “Tower, Tiger 54 Solo, holding on the ramp for engine run up.” “Roger Tiger 54 solo, let us know when you are ready to go again.” So, after take-off, things went better. Although, I did surprise myself by climbing 200 feet in the pattern when I dropped my flaps for landing. I guess having 240lbs less weight without the IP made a difference to the 1400lb plane!
At the end of IFS, each student takes a check ride. The check ride is one of the standard profiles, with a specific set of maneuvers to accomplish. The check IP evaluates rather than instructing. The student is supposed to run the sortie by themselves. Unfortunately, I lost situational awareness partway through my flight, and tried to enter the pattern for a runway 90 degrees off from the one I was supposed to land on. I hit the entry point, and realized something was odd (almost always an indicator that you lost SA). I kept going, until I saw another DA-20 climbing at an angle 45 degrees toward me, and turning into and behind me. “Well, that’s odd. Something’s definitely wrong here,” I thought. About that time, I heard what no student wants to hear on a checkride…”I have the Aircraft.” My IP took the aircraft, made a quick 90 degree turn, and said, “do you see the runway now?” “(sigh) Yeah, I see it,” I said, as the numbers became readable and it became more than glaringly obvious I had been going to the wrong one. Well, so much for the checkride! Fortunately, the 88 went just fine.
IFS is a sprint of a program. If you want to be successful, it is best to put in maximum effort every day you are there. There is not much down time during the week. (Wise students will take at least part of the weekend off, to prevent burnout.) Work hard, and try to have some fun, because the program is set on full-blast firehose.
 
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