Son is done with AFROTC scholarship application with the exception of the interview and he has not submitted a PFA. Right now on a bad day he scores a 92 on a good day he scores a 95. The run is the biggest variable at the moment with a good day being around 10:30 and a bad day around 11:00. Is it worth waiting another month to consistently score in the 95+ range or submit it now to get in the que earlier?
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Is he applying for the AFA too?
When is he doing his run? Has there been a weather issue? You can't control the weather at all, but if his good time is at 10 a.m. with cool weather, and his bad is at 5 with heat, spend the week and run in the heat. He will acclimate. Have you the ability to work with the tester regarding the flexibility of their schedule?
Is he maxing everything else? Remember each section gets points. Fail the sit ups and you fail the test even if you run in 9 minutes.
The PFA is a portion, one that you can control, but the others also matter too. The 92 is low, but if the other portions are high it will offset it. You need to look at his WHOLE packet before you decide whether to submit.
When is he doing his run? Has there been a weather issue? You can't control the weather at all, but if his good time is at 10 a.m. with cool weather, and his bad is at 5 with heat, spend the week and run in the heat. He will acclimate. Have you the ability to work with the tester regarding the flexibility of their schedule?
Is he maxing everything else? Remember each section gets points. Fail the sit ups and you fail the test even if you run in 9 minutes.
The PFA is a portion, one that you can control, but the others also matter too. The 92 is low, but if the other portions are high it will offset it. You need to look at his WHOLE packet before you decide whether to submit.
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Yes applying to the AFA also. The CFA and PFA are two different animals. The question really has to do with the AFROTC PFA and the October board.
Pima you lost me here, you can't get a 92 if your failing push-ups or sit-ups?
Run is worth 60 points, sit-ups 10, push-ups 10 and abdominal circumference 20 on the chart we have seen. The difference between a 10:30 and 11:00 run is 2.5 points.
The rest of the packet pretty much is what it is by now. Grades are not going to change, ACT/SAT scores can be updated if needed, a new sport etc is going to have minimal weight at this point.
Pima you lost me here, you can't get a 92 if your failing push-ups or sit-ups?
Run is worth 60 points, sit-ups 10, push-ups 10 and abdominal circumference 20 on the chart we have seen. The difference between a 10:30 and 11:00 run is 2.5 points.
The rest of the packet pretty much is what it is by now. Grades are not going to change, ACT/SAT scores can be updated if needed, a new sport etc is going to have minimal weight at this point.
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Time out.
1st off I was never a parent that knew the points for each aspect of the PFA.
Now, you are saying it is 2.5 points for running, correct?
That to me says he can make up the points with the other areas. You have 7.5 that does not deal with running, max them which would make up the 2.5, right? Doing math here, and until you say I am wrong, he is not maxing in other areas. Again, I bow to you for knowledge regarding the pt system. This was not an issue for us when we went through the process. Not because of his physical ability, but because we were deaf, dumb and blind. DS is a C400 and today is the 1st I knew about the scoring method for the PFT, until now it was you got a XX OKAY...move on!
FYI, if he wants UPT with AFROTC he will need to bump it up to 97/98 to feel comfortable...key word, comfortable.
I have 2 boys, 1 has a runner's build(ROTC), and never runs, but can max it even if threw his butt out of bed at 5 in the morning for a 5:15 show. The other is a FB player and can run every day, and does 1 1/2 miles for practice 5 times a week, but will never max. However, DS 2 can leave DS 1 in the dust regarding endurance and su/pu's. Body frame is an issue.
Utilize his strengths to increase his score.
I am not going to the other issues because I believe you think I am attacking. I am not. I wish you and your child every dream. It is not personal. It is all about the fact that for 16 it will become even more competitive than 15. Every aspect will matter.
Best wishes, hopes, dreams and good luck
1st off I was never a parent that knew the points for each aspect of the PFA.
Now, you are saying it is 2.5 points for running, correct?
That to me says he can make up the points with the other areas. You have 7.5 that does not deal with running, max them which would make up the 2.5, right? Doing math here, and until you say I am wrong, he is not maxing in other areas. Again, I bow to you for knowledge regarding the pt system. This was not an issue for us when we went through the process. Not because of his physical ability, but because we were deaf, dumb and blind. DS is a C400 and today is the 1st I knew about the scoring method for the PFT, until now it was you got a XX OKAY...move on!
FYI, if he wants UPT with AFROTC he will need to bump it up to 97/98 to feel comfortable...key word, comfortable.
I have 2 boys, 1 has a runner's build(ROTC), and never runs, but can max it even if threw his butt out of bed at 5 in the morning for a 5:15 show. The other is a FB player and can run every day, and does 1 1/2 miles for practice 5 times a week, but will never max. However, DS 2 can leave DS 1 in the dust regarding endurance and su/pu's. Body frame is an issue.
Utilize his strengths to increase his score.
I am not going to the other issues because I believe you think I am attacking. I am not. I wish you and your child every dream. It is not personal. It is all about the fact that for 16 it will become even more competitive than 15. Every aspect will matter.
Best wishes, hopes, dreams and good luck
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The table I have is the AF ROTC PFA score table and I came by it legitimately. I don't know if the scholarship table is different but I bet it is not much different if it is.
The 1.5 mile run is worth 60 points and you have to run a 9:12 if you want 60 points. A 10:30 will give you 57.3 points and an 11:00 will give you 55.7 points (a 1.6 point difference - not the 2.5 I previously stated).
There are 10 points available for push-ups and 10 points available for sit-ups and 20 points available for abdominal circumference. There is no place to make any points up. To truly max you have to hit the maximum in each of the 4 categories.
No thought of you attacking. You did not and I did not think so.
My question was really is it better to get in the review line a little earlier or be a little later for a 2-3 point improvement in PFA score.
Pima: Sent you a pm.
The 1.5 mile run is worth 60 points and you have to run a 9:12 if you want 60 points. A 10:30 will give you 57.3 points and an 11:00 will give you 55.7 points (a 1.6 point difference - not the 2.5 I previously stated).
There are 10 points available for push-ups and 10 points available for sit-ups and 20 points available for abdominal circumference. There is no place to make any points up. To truly max you have to hit the maximum in each of the 4 categories.
No thought of you attacking. You did not and I did not think so.
My question was really is it better to get in the review line a little earlier or be a little later for a 2-3 point improvement in PFA score.
Pima: Sent you a pm.
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Honestly, there is a limited pot of gold (scholarships).
There are many who have been reboarded multiple time. Without knowing the other parts of the equation, nobody should even begin to chance you.
What is his SAT/ACT....AFROTC does not superscore!
GPA?
Class rank?
Curriculum Rigor?
ECs?
Intended major?
The PFA is important, but you can get a 98, and no scholarship at all if you have a 1250 out of 1600. You can get a scholarship with a a 94 and a 1300.
Repeat after me...WHOLE CANDIDATE.
OBTW NOBODY HERE SITS ON ANY BOARD
Take my post and throw it in a circular filing cabinet. It is an OPINION!
There are many who have been reboarded multiple time. Without knowing the other parts of the equation, nobody should even begin to chance you.
What is his SAT/ACT....AFROTC does not superscore!
GPA?
Class rank?
Curriculum Rigor?
ECs?
Intended major?
The PFA is important, but you can get a 98, and no scholarship at all if you have a 1250 out of 1600. You can get a scholarship with a a 94 and a 1300.
Repeat after me...WHOLE CANDIDATE.
OBTW NOBODY HERE SITS ON ANY BOARD
Take my post and throw it in a circular filing cabinet. It is an OPINION!
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I am a little new to the ROTC discussion. I am familiar with the situps, pushups and 1.5 mile run but what is the abdominal circumference?
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After a little research I answered my own question. I guess what I was really interested in is how that factors into the ROTC application. I thought they only scored the 3 other activities.
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Only the Air Force does the abdominal circumference.
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Each section is awarded points to give you your PFA. That score is now placed into the equation for the WCS (whole Candidate). They than break it down to awarding Type 1,2 and 7 or nothing at all.
Type 1 aka go anywhere you want with no limit on tuition. @5% are awarded.
Type 2 aka full IS or up to 18K a yr. If over 18K you can pay the difference. @15 - 20% are awarded.
Type 7 aka full IS or up to the equivalent of IS you CANNOT make up the difference. @75-80% will be offered this type.
As you can see that PFA can make the difference, because there is always going to be 1 last scholarship and more than 1 person competing for it. You don't want to lose out because you did 1 less push up or a slower run by 15 sec. than the other candidate. This can happen. Let's be honest there are about thousands of candidates every yr applying for ROTC scholarship, the point spread is not going to tons of points, but minimal points.
Also remember there is that other issue which goes into the equation besides the PAR/ EC/PFA and rec. Tech or non-tech. The bulk of the scholarships offered are for tech majors. Do not apply as a tech major with the intention of changing to non-tech once you get there. To transfer into a non-tech major you will need approval, and as stated earlier there is a limited pot of gold, and you can find them saying no very easily.
Type 1 aka go anywhere you want with no limit on tuition. @5% are awarded.
Type 2 aka full IS or up to 18K a yr. If over 18K you can pay the difference. @15 - 20% are awarded.
Type 7 aka full IS or up to the equivalent of IS you CANNOT make up the difference. @75-80% will be offered this type.
As you can see that PFA can make the difference, because there is always going to be 1 last scholarship and more than 1 person competing for it. You don't want to lose out because you did 1 less push up or a slower run by 15 sec. than the other candidate. This can happen. Let's be honest there are about thousands of candidates every yr applying for ROTC scholarship, the point spread is not going to tons of points, but minimal points.
Also remember there is that other issue which goes into the equation besides the PAR/ EC/PFA and rec. Tech or non-tech. The bulk of the scholarships offered are for tech majors. Do not apply as a tech major with the intention of changing to non-tech once you get there. To transfer into a non-tech major you will need approval, and as stated earlier there is a limited pot of gold, and you can find them saying no very easily.
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Thank you Pima. Through this site and the afrotc website, I have become quite familiar with the scholarships available. This was just the first time I saw any mention of the abdominal circumference as part of the pfa. As always I appreciate your input.