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Nick is right...that is a huge change!

Notice the key word "AIR" Force.
Pima: Which is a huge change?
Do you think it wouldn't be called the "Air" Force any longer if the AF limited it's scholarships for Jet Jockey Wannabes to type 7s (or no scholarships)? I still think they'd have MANY more applicants than they could use. Don't they already have FAR more qualified (trained) pilots than they have planes for them?
 
There is no reason for you to get upset. Im not attacking you personally here. It appears to me that we may be talking about different things. Here is what I have so far:

1)We disagree over Air Force scholarship policy
2)You say that the AF puts itself at a disadvantage by not offering the same program as Army and Navy and that costs the AF quality candidates. Here is YOUR own post that says so:
I would prefer a scholarship system that gave EVERY candidate the same opportunity to join the AF and go to a school that they could get accepted (as in the Navy & Army programs), instead of forcing well qualified "poorer" students to make a choice. This system may cost the AF some good candidates. If in fact some GOOD quality candidates go to a different ROTC program then those people that believe the AF doesn't lose good quality candidates to other branches because of its scholarship "type" system would be mistaken.


3)I have constantly said the same thing. I disagree with your opinion. As Ive stated over and over, yes some well-qualified people will go to other services for more money. BUT, I say thats not a big deal since the AF still meets all of its recruiting goals. The reason I keep mentioning the Army is just to help us see the contrast between two different policies, one which you advocate and one which I advocate.


Now is there anything in this post that I'm wrong about? I think this is a very simple disagreement and doesnt necessitate either of us getting upset. As you requested, I quoted one of your posts that says you think the AF should use a scholarship program similar to the Army and Navy. I disagree and Im telling you why. Thats it. Nothing sinister
 
So now you say they don't lose that many good candidates? If so, why is it cost-effective for them to divert funds and fix something that isnt broken?

I feel like you may have misinterpreted this post of mine. I apologize for not being more clear. I was not saying that you changed your opinion or anything like that. If the use of the word "now" was the issue than I apologize. I realize that you've had a consistent opinion throughout this entire discussion. I respectfully disagree with that opinion. The reason I said "So now you say they don't lose that many good candidates? If so, why is it cost-effective for them to divert funds and fix something that isnt broken?" is because in your previous post, you stated that the AF doesnt lose MANY good candidates, but only SOME. We agree there. Great! But my issue is that since only SOME good candidates are lost (and the AF still meets all of its goals), its not necessary to change the policy.
 
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If you wish to have any credibility and to continue a dialogue (with me replying to your questions) then you will need to answer (with links or quotes) my questions concerning your statements:
I still fail to see what your point is. So now you say they don't lose that many good candidates?
Now? I included my first post from the first page of this thread to help you remember. What part of that post supports NOW?
I feel like you may have misinterpreted this post of mine. I apologize for not being more clear. I was not saying that you changed your opinion or anything like that. If the use of the word "now" was the issue than I apologize. I realize that you've had a consistent opinion throughout this entire discussion.
Just so that we are perfect clear: I didn't misinterpret your post. You either chose to twist my words or failed to clearly state the meaning of those words in order to ask a question about a point that I did not make.

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2)You advocate that system because it would supposedly attract more well-qualified people.
Where did I say it would attract "more well-qualified people"? Please quote the post so that I can see which one of my responses you are failing to comprehend or which one I wasn't clear.
2)You say that the AF puts itself at a disadvantage by not offering the same program as Army and Navy and that costs the AF quality candidates. Here is YOUR own post that says so:
You seem to have difficulty understanding the meaning of the word: "attract". I never said the AF had ANY trouble "attracting" qualified people, or that going with a Full Ride scholarship program (like the Army or Navy) would "attract" any more well-qualified people. The post you quote in support of your statement does not mention attracting candidates at all. It does mention that "I would prefer a scholarship system that gave EVERY candidate the same opportunity to join the AF and go to a school that they could get accepted (as in the Navy & Army programs)...". I don't think I've ever said the AF has ANY trouble attracting candidates.

Would you care to point out which post I mentioned "attracting" more qualified candidates by changing the system, or are you willing to concede that you MEANT something different?

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3) Despite featuring your favored policy, the Army DOES NOT have the abundance of well-qualified cadets that you say they'd have.
This will be my third request in this post for an actual quote (of mine) that supports your statement. I do not recall having said that because the Army uses a Full Ride scholarship program that they would therefor have an abundance of well-qualified candidates.
I'm still waiting for the quote that supports this statement
"..the Army DOES NOT have the abundance of well-qualified cadets that you say they'd have."

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As you requested, I quoted one of your posts that says you think the AF should use a scholarship program similar to the Army and Navy.
Once again a misquote. Where did I ask you to quote "one of your posts that says you think the AF should use a scholarship program similar to the Army and Navy"?
I asked you specifically to substantiate three statements that you made by providing quotes. As far as I can tell you were unable to do that for any of your statements.

It seems to me that you are a very enthusiastic AFROTC student that feels the need to defend his choice of careers and has either glossed over reading my posts in his fervor to respond, or perhaps isn't choosing his words very carefully in his posts.

Instead of abusing the patience of anyone bored enough to still be reading this thread, why don't we just agree to disagree in THIS thread and agree that in the future you'll be more careful?
 
It seems to me that you are a very enthusiastic AFROTC student that feels the need to defend his choice of careers and has either glossed over reading my posts in his fervor to respond, or perhaps isn't choosing his words very carefully in his posts. Instead of abusing the patience of anyone bored enough to still be reading this thread, why don't we just agree to disagree in THIS thread and agree that in the future you'll be more careful?

I humbly ask that you please refrain from making patronizing statements. There no need at all to get worked up over this. Any "fervor" I have at the moment isn't related in any way to an online discussion forum on ROTC scholarships. As I said earlier, Im not personally attacking you and would ask that you return the favor.


Where did I say it would attract "more well-qualified people"? Please quote the post so that I can see which one of my responses you are failing to comprehend or which one I wasn't clear.
You've made it quite clear that you never overtly said said that the AF would "attract" more good candidates. Very well. But that was not my meaning. Forgive me for not having reworded that in another way that doesnt offend your sensibilities.


The issue still remains. You said you want the AF to change its scholarship policy. I ASSUMED that was because you think they could "attract" more qualified candidates. I guess I was wrong. So, could you please tell me (instead of making personal attacks) why you think the AF should change said policy.
 
You lack credibility. I choose not to discuss this matter with you any longer.

I guess I overestimated the level of your maturity. I thought this particular thread was centered on civilized discussion around AFROTC scholarship policy. But obviously you're more interested in making personal attacks and picking apart the words of those who offer different opinions rather than focusing on the actual debate.

These forums were a very helpful tool for me when I went through the application process two years ago and I hoped my recent experiences with AFROTC could maybe help others. I guess not.

Either way, Im sorry we couldnt have a civil discussion. I honestly wish your daughter the best of luck in her pursuits with nursing and the AF.
 
Folks - this is a good place to put this thread to bed- it has become a two person show with both talking past each other. Good time to let it go into hybernation unless there is something new to say here that doesn't involve preaching at each other.
 
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