After Acceptance

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  1. XBulldog

    XBulldog Member

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    Hello there sportsfans. Don't want to overstep my rookie status and maybe its already ben posted but I was cruising the net and found a great website for food, drinks, and entertainment in the Big Apple and Long Island area. Tot you might like to look it tover. Don't know much about History, don't know much Biology but I do know that maybe this could help any other hayseeds out there manuver the city and make the best of the short time you get with your plebe after Acceptance Day (plebe......is that correct MarineOpsDad?). Good luck out there and happy hunting. It's almost hereeeeee..........:screwy:

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  2. KPMarineopsdad

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    They will indeed be plebes and will remain so until recognition, whereupon they will become midshipmen fourth class. By the way I learned recently that the term "midshipman" goes back to the days of sailing ships. Before the development of bull horns and intercoms, officers in training were used to repeat orders from the Captain to the crew at the forward end of the ship. they were placed in the middle of the ship and were called..."midshipmen."
     
  3. kpbaseballmom

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    Another explanation for midshipman

    A midshipman is a subordinate officer
    Subordinate officer

    A subordinate officer, in many navy in the English-speaking world, is an officer who has not finished their initial training. Such officers are not commissioned, but are treated for most intents and purposes as commissioned officers....
    , an officer cadet
    Officer Cadet

    Officer Cadet is a military rank held by military cadets during their training to become commissioned officers. The term Officer Trainee is used interchangeably in some countries....
    , or alternatively a commissioned officer of the lowest rank, in the navies
    Navy

    A navy is the branch of a nation's military forces principally designated for naval warfare and amphibious warfare; namely, lake- or ocean-borne combat operations and related functions....
    of several English-speaking countries.

    During the days of sailing vessels, from the 17th through the 19th centuries, a midshipman was an apprentice officer. The word derives from the location of ship, amidships, where they were berthed. The midshipman used to serve seven years on the lower deck and was roughly equivalent to a present day petty officer in rank and position.

    During the 19th century training of Naval officers in both the Royal Navy and the U.S. Navy changed toward formal schooling in a naval college as opposed to apprenticeship aboard ships. Today, a Midshipman is the term for an officer cadet in the U.S. Navy. In the modern Royal Navy, Royal Australian Navy, and the Royal New Zealand Navy non-graduates join as Midshipman, while those with a university degree join as a Sub-Lieutenant
    Sub-Lieutenant

    Sub-Lieutenant is a military rank. It is normally a junior officer rank.In many navies, a sub-lieutenant is a naval commissioned officer or subordinate officer, ranking below a Lieutenant....
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  4. bruno

    bruno Retired Staff Member

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    Question not a statement here: I assume that Midshipman is a Navy term? Why aren't the students at USCGA or the State Maritime Colleges also Midshipmen rather than Cadets?

     
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    The terminology get a little "muddied" here. When our midshipmen go to sea for sea year they are called cadets. I'm not sure how all of this came about.
     
  6. XBulldog

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    I'm getting confused again.
     
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    jamzmom Founding Member

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    Midships is the correct term from a historical aspect. They ("Midshipmen") are Navy Reserve while CG is not. The term comes from a looooooong Naval tradition, generally British. Ever watch the movie Master & Commander? They are/were considered apprentice officers of sorts during that period. Sons of Neptune & Mermaids. GRIN The term "cadet" while aboard ships during sea year does become rather confusing. It could come from the fact that they sail on commercial vessels?

    More information:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midshipman

    Just for an fyi, Kings Point's year book is called Midships.
     
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  8. beatkp

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    The US Naval Academy used the term "naval cadet" in the 19th century while the Revenue Cutter Service (predecessor of Coast Guard) had midshipman. Towards the turn of the century the name naval cadet was then changed to midshipman at Annapolis.

    I believe it would be hard to exactly determine why the Coast Guard Academy chose to use the term cadet in lieu of midshipmen since its just semantics anyway.

    But I think it’s ironic that Coast Guard Cadets have midshipmen listed as the rank on their CAC (ID) Card; I think it’s a MMA & Navy Plot.
     
  9. XBulldog

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    Unless something changes, our DS is falling into the category of wanting to just sleep and sleep and sleep.....maybe between eating something he has not had since July 9th !!!!
     
  11. jasperdog

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    They are Midshipmen USNR on campus; on board US Merchant Ships, liscenced officers in training are Cadets - during Sea Year they are Cadets. Years ago while on campus they were "Cadet/Midshimen" 1/C, 2/C, 3/C and 4/C. Since technically they (we) were both USNR subordinate officers AND Merchant Mariniers in training prior to be liscenced - I don't know why the "Cadet" was dropped and I believe at some of the State Academies those students in the USNR MMR program are still Cadet/Midshipmen - maybe someone else can confirm or clarify further.
     

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