Air Force Jobs and Majors

[hornetguy]

How does a nurse go to grad school without having a BSN / RN? AFA does not have an undergraduate nursing program.

We have a program where they go to Vanderbilt to get their MSN. I think its the MSN, could be the BSN. Either way, they go to school for nursing. They take the required classes at USAFA in biology, chemistry, etc. to qualify.

 

[Texasrocks]

You know what's really sad? They are short $200 MILLION for salaries. Sounds like a lot of money, doesn't it? Yet, they can go HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars and even pounce the national debt into the TRILLIONS, for many things our country doesn't need. Yea, some people really have their priorities straight.

$200,000,000 (200 Million)
1/5th of 1 Billion dollars
1/50th of 10 Billion dollars
1/500th of 100 Billion dollars
1/5,000th of 1 Trillion dollars

Sorry, but I have very little respect for many of our Washington Leaders. Call me bitter and pissed off. That's OK. Washington is bankrupting our country, instilling an "entitlement" mentality and dependency on our citizens, and our country will pay the price for generations to come. And the ONLY truly SELFLESS group of Americans, willing to look the other way and still believe in the greatness of our heritage, our constitution, and our freedoms; (Our service men and women); are the ones who will get SCREWED the hardest. Sorry folks, I have to say what I believe is the truth. Mike....

Echo that

 

[futurepilot22]

Echo that

I'd like to point out that 36% of the national budget is spent on defense, which is already way too high as it is, IMO.

 

[Christcorp]

I'd like to point out that 36% of the national budget is spent on defense, which is already way too high as it is, IMO.

Yea, there is some truth to that. However; unlike other government jobs, the department of defense also generates money. Not just military personnel pay, but the DOD is a major purchaser of equipment, supplies, aircraft, weapons, etc... So while it may "Appear" that the department of defense makes up a large portion of the national budget, a very large portion of their budget is put right back into the local and regional economies. Plus, unlike many government agencies, the DOD also provides a needed service. Unlike most government agencies who take tax dollars to simply exist. They don't provide services anywhere near as necessary as the DOD; and except for their direct employees, they return very little income to the economy.

The debate over the DOD spending so much money has been around for a very long time. However, when economists and business professors have actually studied the impact of the military, they've realized that they are very unique. It's their requirements from companies like Boeing that also provides the seed money for boeing to exist to also provide services to the civilian market. "MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY" than the government trying to bail out General Motors and thinking they are doing something good.

36% sounds like a large portion, but the reality is that it's probably closer to about 10%. The military is the "BEST" form of tax redistribution. Too bad the rest of the government can't operate as efficiently.

 

[hawkeye]

You know what's really sad? They are short $200 MILLION for salaries. Sounds like a lot of money, doesn't it? Yet, they can go HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars and even pounce the national debt into the TRILLIONS, for many things our country doesn't need. Yea, some people really have their priorities straight.

$200,000,000 (200 Million)
1/5th of 1 Billion dollars
1/50th of 10 Billion dollars
1/500th of 100 Billion dollars
1/5,000th of 1 Trillion dollars

Sorry, but I have very little respect for many of our Washington Leaders. Call me bitter and pissed off. That's OK. Washington is bankrupting our country, instilling an "entitlement" mentality and dependency on our citizens, and our country will pay the price for generations to come. And the ONLY truly SELFLESS group of Americans, willing to look the other way and still believe in the greatness of our heritage, our constitution, and our freedoms; (Our service men and women); are the ones who will get SCREWED the hardest. Sorry folks, I have to say what I believe is the truth. Mike....

Word to your mother!!! Washington is going down the drain!

 

[SAFJRider]

How does a nurse go to grad school without having a BSN / RN? AFA does not have an undergraduate nursing program.

lots of entry level professional degrees (medical) are Masters or above-so the Vandy (MSN) idea doesn't sound far off-AF gets one slot for the Army PhD Physical Therapy program (entry level). Lots of options for grads.
FYI - Also, when these reductions roll around medical/JAG are usually exempted as those fields are always difficult to retain/recruit.

 

[aglages]

lots of entry level professional degrees (medical) are Masters or above-so the Vandy (MSN) idea doesn't sound far off-..

Looks as though these AFA grads enter Vandy as undergrads for a year and a half (3 semesters) and then enter the MSN program for at least another 3 semesters.
http://www.nursing.vanderbilt.edu/msn/prespec.html

 

[fencersmother]

OK, now I have an upset stomach. My eldest son's entry into his OCS program (navy) is delayed for three months. He was originally told this happens all the time but now we are thinking there is also a drawdown in the Navy.

It is disheartenting to read this.

ChristCorps - I'm with you, guy! (Now tell us all: is it Christ CORPS or Christ "corPs"? hahahaha)

 

[Christcorp]

OK, now I have an upset stomach. My eldest son's entry into his OCS program (navy) is delayed for three months. He was originally told this happens all the time but now we are thinking there is also a drawdown in the Navy.

It is disheartenting to read this.

ChristCorps - I'm with you, guy! (Now tell us all: is it Christ CORPS or Christ "corPs"? hahahaha)

Oh darling. You're too funny. But if you look at my post name, you'll see that there is NO "S" on the end of the name. And for those interested, it was the name of a company I had started many years ago. I was asked to allow the name to be used openly, which I did. There are now quite a few companies and websites using the name. But I've maintained the email addresses on most of the public emails. Anyway, there you go.

As for your son waiting on his OCS, yes, that's got to suck. But remember; there is a time for every purpose, under heaven. It will all work out. Keep the faith. Mike.....

 

[hockeypals]

Is there any information about which majors the pilot assignments had? Are there any majors that would make it more likely to get a pilot slot? My son is planning on applying this coming year, and he really wants to fly.
Thanks.

 

[Christcorp]

Unless he's planning on wanting to be a test pilot or be part of NASA some day, majors aren't important to be a pilot. But for regular pilot slots, the majors range from engineering to History; from Computer science to English.

 

[Pima]

Bruno a day late, but thanks for the clarification. I am just curious how they are going to be able to fulfill those slots for the Jump ALOs. Not a lot wanted to take them in the first place, but now they want fliers to willingly step out of the cockpit permanently? This will be fun to watch!

Futurepilot I thought I heard that 53% goes to the defense budget.

I love it when people say cut the budget and DOD comes and says OKAY, here's how we will cut it...We will close bases. All of the sudden all of those people who live in that town scream NO NO!

Yrs ago, actually decades ago when the 1st BRAC came about in the 90's. The Mayor of Mt Home Idaho said place the base on the list. The jets are noisy and they add nothing to the economy. The Wing King to drive home a point had all of the airmen paid in $2 bills from the base bank on Friday (yes, cadets, long long time ago you actually had a paycheck and not Direct Deposit, that is also where the term hotcheck friday originated from IMHO). Monday morning the Mayor called and said UNCLE. He quickly realized that without the base the HUB of ELMORE County would be nothing but a Simplot landfill. (Tons of cows). The town was innundated with $2 bills and the banks/businesses had contacted the mayor to say they wanted him to re-think his position before the BRAC committee came.

People want to say OH the military is too big, but they do not realize that the budget actually drives many economies. Marietta GA is not thrilled that the 22 got cut, because now that pipeline being closed will create job losses in a weak economy. Close a base like Luke, no biggie because the town will survive. Close Canon or Alamogordo and the town will collapse.

Like I said people are all for spending less on defense until it hits their pocketbook and then they may complain publicly, but at night they pray that the govt doesn't listen to their complaints.

 

[mjones]

Budgt too high?

I'd like to point out that 36% of the national budget is spent on defense, which is already way too high as it is, IMO.

This might sound a little … let’s say curmudgeonly … especially from a “lurker” like me who rarely chimes in. But every time I open this thread I get a little ticked off.

You know, anyone can donate as much to the Government as they want. When certain wealthy Politian’s and or celebrities say we have to raise taxes, they never pay more than they have to. When they complain about the plight of the poor, their charitable giving is often lacking.

When I think of “futurepilot22’s post” I can’t help thinking, “here is your chance to help out your country - Future Pilot 22”.

You should not be applying to the academy. You should pay for your own college education and then you should pay for your own pilot training. That will save us tax payers over a million dollars, right there. And if you still want to serve you can join up after you saved all that money for the rest of us.

People who do simple math to solve problems or use headlines to form their opinions are generally not well formed.

You’re young, I’m sure, but I hope you begin to develop some critical thinking skills before we turn over any heavy equipment to you.

See that’s why I mostly just read. I tend to be on the crabby side.

 

[acesmom]

GREAT info thanks! My DS, is hoping for an appointment for class entering in 2011 and was curious how many pilot slots there are roughly. If he can just get in looks like he has a good shot with almost half as pilot slots. Thanks!

 

[goldfarb1]

GREAT info thanks! My DS, is hoping for an appointment for class entering in 2011 and was curious how many pilot slots there are roughly. If he can just get in looks like he has a good shot with almost half as pilot slots. Thanks!

Just tell him to eat carrots to keep his eyes in good shape.

 

[AFAplease]

Let me know if I misinterpreted anything or if there's a better way to represent this.

This is a very interesting breakdown of the careers. Does anyone have any clue about how many 2011's applied for flight positions/how many were rejected? I think I have heard that it is usually just a little over half the class that even wants flying positions.

 

[Falcon2014]

Does anyone know how many graduates going into UPT will end up with UAVs? That's one of my biggest concerns about my AF career and I would even consider cross-commissisoning into the Army for helos if it meant that I wouldn't be flying UAVs. I did hear a rumor that some pilots are sent to UAVs for a year after graduation and are then assigned a real aircraft.

 

[Stealth_81]

AFAplease,
My son is a 2011 and he got his pilot slot. In his squadron there were no cadets who had pilot as their first choice AFSC who did not get a slot. I can't say for sure about the rest of the wing, but it sounds like there were enough slots for anyone who wanted one.

Falcon2014,
There has been much discussion about UAS slots and how many there will be. The honest answer is that no one except the AF planners know. The 2011s had 18 UAS slots directly out of the Academy. On top of that, there are a percentage of UPT students who will get UAS slots when it comes time to get their airframe choice. Right now that seems to be 2-5 slots per UPT class of 20-25. (it varies by class, it all depends on what the AF has available at the time the class gets their drops). The best thing to do is do your best at the Academy so that you get a slot. Then, do your best at UPT so that you are on the high end of the drop and you have more choices. It will be four more years before you will be in that position, so it will change before then, too. I would think that there will be more UAS slots by then, but really, no one knows.

Stealth_81

 

[Falcon2014]

That's what I keep hearing, just do well and I won't have to worry about the unmanned stuff. Thanks Stealth_81

 

[Pima]

I agree with Stealth, I am sure in the upcoming yrs there will be more UAVs slots coming down, and you are correct do your best and you won't have to concern yourself with it. However, the high note for people coming down the UPT pipeline in 3 or 4 yrs is that you will probably also see a new jet in the mix. The 35. I think that should be incentive enough to graduate number 1 at UPT.