Air Force jobs other than being a pilot

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  1. navy2016

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    What are some common areas AFA graduates go into other than pilot training?
    What are some aspects of these jobs?


    I just do not want to be in the Air Force and sit in the office all day (hear too many jokes at the AF).
     
  2. Bullet

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    Here's the list of jobs being handed out this year for those getting there commission:

    FY '12 Commissioning AFSC Requirements
    13DXA Combat Rescue 7
    13DXB Special Tactics 8
    13L Career ALO 13
    13M Airfield Operations 11
    13S Space & Missile Ops 96
    14N Intelligence 176
    15W Meteorology Weather 23
    17D Cyber 80
    21A Aircraft Maint 40
    21M Munitions/Missile Maint 13
    21R Logistics Readiness 47
    31P Security Forces 28
    32EXA Architecture Civil Engr 2
    32EXC Civil Engr Civil Engr 1
    32EXE Electrical Engr Civil Engr 4
    32EXF Mechanical Engr Civil Engr 4
    32EXG General Engr Civil Engr 26
    32EXJ Environmental Engr Civil Engr 0
    35P Public Affairs 12
    38F Personnel/Manpower/Svcs 44
    61AX Math / Ops Research Scientist 20
    61BX Behavioral Psychology Scientist 3
    61CX Chemistry Scientist 2
    61DX Physics Scientist 0
    62EXA Aeronautical Engr Developmental Engr 28
    62EXB Astronautical Engr Developmental Engr 12
    62EXC Computer Engr Developmental Engr 9
    62EXE Electrical Engr Developmental Engr 78
    62EXG General Engr Developmental Engr 47
    62EXH Mechanical Engr Developmental Engr 15
    63A Engr, Math, Mgt, or 24 hrs Acquisition 50
    64P Contracting 22
    65F/W Financial Management 22
    71S Special Investigations 8
    Total Non-Rated Line 951

    Pilot 505
    Nav 204
    ABM 68
    UAS 80
    Total Rated Line 857

    Total 1,808

    As you can see, there are a LOT of choices (just like in ALL the different services). As in each service, there are different jobs one would consider the "operational" type (i.e. what most people would imagine as being the "pointy end" of the stick), and there are others that are "support" (i.e. the rest of the stick; not the part that is associated with the actual killing, but without it, the stick is pretty much useless).

    For the AF, ops is mostly associated with rated positions, and these are mostly given to about 1/3 of our Officer Corps. While there are some rated enlisted positions, they are in the vast minority. Since such a small minority is actually "rated" (which most unfamiliar consider the "warfighters" of the AF), the AF tends to get an unjustified rep as being "sittig at a desk back home".

    Other "ops" types of positions (that most outside of the AF are not very familiar with) include our Special Tactics and TACP guys, but as you can see form teh stats above, they are VERY rare. Our missile folks are also considered "ops" (their sticks, however, are just a little bit larger. :shake:)

    Take a look at what's available; ask around here if you got a particular question about a particular career field, that's what we are here for (with many of us having some experience with these fields).

    Better yet, search the AF sites themselves to get a good description. An background story for each of these career fields is just a google search away...
     
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    How hard is it to be commisioned for Special Tactics, and what does one do to get there?
     
  6. nick4060

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    VERY hard. There are a couple people at my det who tried to go STO/CRO. I dont know the process very intimitely. But it involves a very long process, in which you must be selected to do a PDT with them over the summer. Then you must be invited back for another phase of selection. And then I think there's even another phase of interviews. And that's just go get selected for STO/CRO training after commissioning. It takes about 2 years to complete training and be qualified.

    http://www.specialtactics.com/sto.shtml

    That website has a lot of info you might be interested in.
     
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    Is there an AFSC for UAS now? I'm interested in being a UAS pilot but i can't find any information online about it.

    Thanks.:thumb:
     
  8. Eagle 1

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    This is just from what I've observed and been told when our rated slots were announced, but I believe UAS/UAVs/RPAs/whatever acronym we're going with now is actually separate from UPT (ie: it's now its own option).

    I'll try and verify that, though I'm sure someone here will beat me to it.

    Edit: Cool, Google took care of this question pretty easily:
    http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123208561

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Specialty_Code
    - Unmanned Aerospace System (UAS)
    -- 1U0X1 - Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA) Sensor Operator
     
  9. johnd9090

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    Nice, it's actually 18X as the officer AFSC. that's the sensor operators; which is an enlisted job.

    Thanks though, that helped. :) Will UAS pilots have to be flying class i ii or iii? i have bad eyes, and that's why i was looking into flying UASs.

    Thanks.
     
  10. Eagle 1

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    Good catch on the AFSC. Saw the 18X in the AF article but just grabbed the first one I saw on wiki (see kids, always double check haha).

    As for the flying class, I don't know, but I can tell you that the Air Force does allow laser eye surgery. A good number of people from my det have gone through it for flying slots (among others) and I plan to as well after field training next summer, so don't dismiss your eyesight immediately.

    On that note though, if you do it yourself during ROTC - and I would assume the AFA as well - not only do you need AF approval first, but it comes out of your pocket.
     
  11. Pima

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    I am not sure you need AF approval for ROTC, because it is on your dime. HOWEVER, you would be a fool to not go to a doc that works with military members, because we all know the military has their own parameters.

    You also need to understand it will cause an immediate DodMERB issue to ensure you are in the parameters, thus, talk to the AFHQ or MullenLE. Don't rely on a pal in the cadre or the command. They are not the final voice. DodMERB is.

    Don't touch your eyes until you are 20. They will change and that is why even the AFA will not do this until @ 20.

    Eyes are one part of your body as a military member you need to think long and hard about because it is a big issue.

    Not everyone has eyesight that is correctable, for some surgery is not an option.

    johnd9090.

    I would suggest you post on the DodMERB forum your question. Bad eyesight is a broad spectrum. It is about correctable eyesight and the requirements for that AFSC. MullenLE will be the one to tell you if what you consider bad eyesight is considered bad eyesight according to them. He will also be able to tell you if it is a waiverable issue.
     
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  12. Eagle 1

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    When I asked about it I was told I had to work with the AF before doing it. If not for approval then probably for getting an earlier FT slot since that has to come first, then the surgery, then a period of time you're on MRS - and if that all doesn't fall in line perfectly then it can screw with PT testing (among other things for a rated slot).

    From what I've experienced so far, everything in ROTC is a timing game. Get as much information as you can and start planning early - and plan contingency plans for those plans :thumb:

    On another note Pima brought up, definitely ask your det who to go to in the area because as we all know, the Air Force also runs on paperwork...

    Everything else Pima said I agree with, especially talking with Mr. Mullen.
     
  13. Pima

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    I didn't want to muddy the waters.

    You are 1000% correct, you need to time it right. That is a big issue. The window can be extremely small.

    I think it was more about the SFT slot because you can't have it done prior to SFT, and you need a certain amount of time before ROTC starts up. Hence, you are not asking permission to get it done, you are asking them to move the schedule so you can get it done and be healed before the AFSC board. (CAVEAT: AFSC boards for 13 are rumored to be now at 400, for 12 it was 300's). You can't go to Maxwell V and expect that you have given enough time to heal from the surgery if school starts in August. You would def. need to be in IV. You also can't do it before SFT with V because you would need DodMERB clearance. That means you need the AF to place you in the earlier spots, and that causes paperwork for them because you would force someone else to move to another session.

    For this poster, the question still remains about vision. For 12 commissioning UAS is a rated slot, thus a rated board.

    It is best IMPO we don't jump to the conclusion that their eyes are correctable with surgery, and let Mullen give them guidance in this situation.

    It is also good to inform ROTC candidates that are eligible for surgery to understand it is on your dime, but because the AF doesn't want you to do it until you are 20+, it can be a multiple issue. If it is an issue expect:

    1. Contacting the AF to get it done in their window
    2. It can cause a DodMERB issue
    3. It will not guarantee a rated slot

    The one thing that anyone who ever served long term in the military will tell you is TIMING MATTERS!

    You have no control over it.

    In the 20 yrs Bullet served I have seen waivers for medical, age, career field given out like candy. I also have seen them shut the pipeline down so hard that if you turned the age limit 1 day after the class(school) starts they say Buh-by!

    Timing was the reason, had they been a yr younger or a yr older it might have been a different result.

    Talk to Mullen. Watch how the AF is flowing. If it appears that they are need and you are AD, apply as soon as they open it.

    Do not ASSUME that because when you are 18 it will be the same way when you are 23 AD. It happens.

    True story: Back in 97/98 they were short on pilots. Economy was good and they were diving at an enormous rate. Honestly, it wasn't 1 pilot per month in the squadron, it was 3,4, or 5. Every friday night at the O Club a guy was buying the bar because they were going to the airlines on Monday. That lasted for about 2 yrs.

    It got so bad that they went to the WSO's and said we will give age waivers to all of you, for UPT I think it was up to 33. :eek:

    Timing!

    The 1 day too old story is also true, and the guy had a Flag officer's direct support, BUT at the same time there was a RIF, and no fighters were coming down. In essence, UPT was truly cut throat.

    Timing!

    Promotions will also be this way.
     
  14. Pima

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    I didn't want to muddy the waters.

    You are 1000% correct, you need to time it right. That is a big issue. The window can be extremely small.

    I think it was more about the SFT slot because you can't have it done prior to SFT, and you need a certain amount of time before ROTC starts up. Hence, you are not asking permission to get it done, you are asking them to move the schedule so you can get it done and be healed before the AFSC board. (CAVEAT: AFSC boards for 13 are rumored to be now at 400, for 12 it was 300's).

    For this poster, the question still remains about vision. For 12 commissioning UAS is a rated slot, thus a rated board.

    It is best IMPO we don't jump to the conclusion that their eyes are correctable with surgery, and let Mullen give them guidance in this situation.

    It is also good to inform ROTC candidates that are eligible for surgery to understand it is on your dime, but because the AF doesn't want you to do it until you are 20+, it can be a multiple issue. If it is an issue expect:

    1. Contacting the AF to get it done in their window
    2. It can cause a DodMERB issue
    3. It will not guarantee a rated slot

    The one thing that anyone who ever served long term in the military will tell you is TIMING MATTERS!

    You have no control over it.

    In the 20 yrs Bullet served I have seen waivers for medical, age, career field given out like candy. I also have seen them shut the pipeline down so hard that if you turned the age limit 1 day after the class(school) starts they say Buh-by!

    Timing was the reason, had they been a yr younger or a yr older it might have been a different result.

    Talk to Mullen. Watch how the AF is flowing. If it appears that they are need and you are AD, apply as soon as they open it.

    Do not ASSUME that because when you are 18 it will be the same way when you are 23 AD. It happens.

    True story: Back in 97/98 they were short on pilots. Economy was good and they were diving at an enormous rate. Honestly, it wasn't 1 pilot per month in the squadron, it was 3,4, or 5. Every friday night at the O Club a guy was buying the bar because they were going to the airlines on Monday. That lasted for about 2 yrs.

    It got so bad that they went to the WSO's and said we will give age waivers to all of you, for UPT I think it was up to 33. :eek:

    Timing!

    The 1 day too old story is also true, and the guy had a Flag officer's direct support, BUT at the same time there was a RIF, and no fighters were coming down. In essence, UPT was truly cut throat.

    Timing!

    Promotions will also be this way.
     
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    On the list, it has 0 going in as physics scientists, is it impossible or just extremely rare to go directly into this field from the academy?
     
  16. Pima

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    I would lend myself to the belief that it is rare. It is all about manpower needs. It does occur, just like getting a 22 out of UPT will happen, but it is rare.
     
  17. hornetguy

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    Up until last year USAFA sent MANY people to scientist/engineer spots. We were sending 3-4 a year for chem alone IIRC. It wasn't terribly difficult to get.

    HOWEVER, with the RIFs and draw-downs, they have cut scientists.
     

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