Air Force QB...it's that kind of week

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LineInTheSand said:
Nope, only you are wrong (unless you were a cadet and have seen something than I did.... as a cadet.... is that the case?).

***RING knocker alert!!!***
For applicants,aspiring cadets and soon to be commissioned officers, above is an example of ring knocking. Please take note and spare us the arrogance. Thanks
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It has nothing to do with ring knocking or arrogance. To be honest, LITS is probably one of the people I would least suspect of being a ring knocker. Its pretty simple. If you have not attended a SA, SMC, or ROTC program, then you simply do not know everything about the experience. Its the same as saying that I don't know what regular college is like because I've never attended one. Parents like to believe that because their child is involved in one of the aforementioned things that they know everything, but they only know what they hear from their child or read on a forum and I can guarantee that DS or DD don't tell their parents everything.

Athletes (especially at the D1 SAs) are treated differently in some aspects, especially when it comes to physical fitness or weight standards. Its really not as prevalent at CGA because our chain of command requires our athletes to be involved in all aspects of military training, including drill. My question is: had USAFA been on a winning streak, would this cadet still have been disenrolled?
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USAFA parents are the best at imagining their academy and its football program as an idyllic bastion of virtues.

This kid had one second chance. He may get two.
 
aseanag said:
Did you mean we are both wrong? My point is his punishment is public for the world to see. Most cadets are not subject to this type of exposure. He is the starting QB for a D1 school and he was benched anyway just like any other NARP plus exposed in the press. No special treatment for this D1 QB!
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My original post was in agreement with USAFA2016Mom in which you said I was wrong. Then I ask you were we both wrong? Your most recent response is I am the only person wrong. Tell me how is it that I agree with another poster and only I am wrong? Is this personal?
 
aseanag said:
My original post was in agreement with USAFA2016Mom in which you said I was wrong. Then I ask you were we both wrong? Your most recent response is I am the only person wrong. Tell me how is it that I agree with another poster and only I am wrong? Is this personal?
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Oh, no you and USAFA2016Mom are wrong if you're talking about the reality of the institution. I said she was talking about the way it SHOULD be, not how it actually is.

You are the only person wrong because I thought "we are both wrong" was referring to you and me. Yes, you and USAFA2016Mom are wrong about them (D1 athletes) being treated equally with their non-D1 athlete classmates..
 
LineInTheSand said:
Nope, only you are wrong (unless you were a cadet and have seen something than I did.... as a cadet.... is that the case?).

He's treated differently. I didn't say that's always a good thing. But if D1 athletes don't have to complete all of the required military obligations as their classmates, I would say that's different treatment. If a bad cadet has an official statement released about an administrative issue (not saying that's a good "difference"), that is different treatment.

Look, I'm sure you THINK you have a clue about this... but you simply don't. Each cadet or midshipman on here has said otherwise. I would love to have one cadet or midshipman who says otherwise... but as of 4:51 p.m. ET Sep. 26, 2013.... I haven't seen it.

I agree with you that there SHOULDN'T be a difference... but the fact remains... there is.
I can't comment if this is his SECOND honor offense, but I have been a long proponent of ONE and DONE. A second offense is just a "told you so" moment.
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Unless you attended the AFA then you haven't a clue either. You are basing you argument on what you have heard. At least I have first hand information about the treatment of athletes at AFA.
 
aseanag said:
Unless you attended the AFA then you haven't a clue either. You are basing you argument on what you have heard. At least I have first hand information about the treatment of athletes at AFA.
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You apparently forget about service academy exchanges and the fact that.... no....

But you get an A for effort. :wink:
 
I would welcome ANY D1 cadets, including USAFA, to contradict me.... someone who is/ was a cadet.... who will say that D1 athletes (especially football players) are treated like every other cadet. Just one!

On the flip side, any current or past cadet of a service academy who agrees that D1 athletes (especially football players) are treated different.... go ahead and speak up.
 
aseanag said:
I believe speaking one on one with USAFA athletes is first hand information.
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That would be second-hand knowledge. You can believe what you want, but it doesn't change the definition of first-hand.

Stealth_81
 
I'm not a AFA cadet, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, does that count.
 
Stealth_81 said:
That would be second-hand knowledge. You can believe what you want, but it doesn't change the definition of first-hand.

Stealth_81
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Definition as I understand first hand knowledge:


first·hand
[furst-hand] Show IPA

adverb
1.
from the first or original source: We heard the news of the accident firsthand from a witness.

adjective
2.
of or pertaining to the first or original source.

3.
direct from the original source: firsthand knowledge of the riot.
 
Only cadets, midshipmen and alumni here provide first-hand knowledge. You are providing second-hand knowledge.
 
LineInTheSand said:
Only cadets, midshipmen and alumni here provide first-hand knowledge. You are providing second-hand knowledge.
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Yes the information I am speaking of is second hand once I repeat it but the information I received is first hand.
 
scoutpilot said:
USAFA parents are the best at imagining their academy and its football program as an idyllic bastion of virtues.

This kid had one second chance. He may get two.
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I clearly digress from the topic of conversation at hand, but...

Scout, USAFA is, uhh, erecting a new $37 million palace of leadership and virtue. So if the academy is not currently an idyllic bastion of virtue, it will be soon! :rolleyes:

http://ccld.usafa.org
 
LineInTheSand said:
Only cadets, midshipmen and alumni here provide first-hand knowledge. You are providing second-hand knowledge.
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My original point was that I can speak about athletes at USAFA with as much authority as someone that has never attended.
 
aseanag said:
My original point was that I can speak about athletes at USAFA with as much authority as someone that has never attended.
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And my point is.... no, you can't, not always. You think you can, but you can't.
 
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