Alabama

Hmm.... That's NOT how you used the term "primary." You used it to describe a TYPE of nomination:



You're not talking about anything but a specific TYPE of nomination, a PRINCIPAL nomination. And you used the term primary, which will lead to confusion as it is the INCORRECT term to use when describing a PRINCIPAL nomination.

No senator or Congressman gives out a "primary" nomination. Period. It can be a competitive nomination, a principal nomination with unranked alternates, or a principal nomination with ranked alternates. Period.

There is no such thing as a "primary" nomination.

Stop confusing the candidates with incorrect terminology.

Hoo boy. Please go back and read all your links to the issue. "Principal" is a term used solely in describing a candidate's position on a list used by only 30% or so of the MOCs. Additionally, the other, a competitive list is one where the top candidate can change daily up until submission deadline and is only known to USNA Admissions so there is no need to designate this candidate with a specific 'name'. The misnomer here is tht many think of him as a "Principal", which is not so. Simply the main,top, best, primary, or whatever one chooses to call him. So, on a Principal/Alternate or Principal/Competitive slate, if the principal candidate becomes ineligible through a number of factors and the slates eligible to the individual in discussion here comprise only alternates and competitives, why in the world would one use the term "Principal'? "Principal" only describes a candidate, not a nomination. I was discussing nominations. All QUALIFIED Principals receive a nomination but not all nominations by MOCs are Principals. Collectively there is no correct term. I made one up. I could have used 'top', 'best', 'primary', or any other of a dozen words, except 'Principal". Only that would have been incorrect. There is no single correct proper term published to refer to those who receive the main, first, top primary nomination from a MOC. Therefore, one should be at liberty to chose what they want. Please, no need to continue this further unless one's intent is to truly confuse.
 
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Assuming all 10 nominees are "qualified"...

So ... in my example, after offering an appointment to Nominee #1, the academy can offer an appointment to Nominee #6 and bypass the others? Yes?
Yes.

I understand that it is extremely rare for the nominees to be ranked 1-to-10. Yet, I'm still curious.

Thanks!
I have been told repeatedly over the years by CGO that only 30% of MOCs choose a Principal candidate. From there, they have a choice on the remaining nine, competitive or ranked. I have never heard anyone state which is most utilized so I cannot comment on the 'rare' or the 'extremely' . Good question though.
 
Back to the OP: as has been said, strive to be the best candidate you can, then let the chips fall where they may. Nothing else YOU can do (short of collecting campaign contributions - but I don't know if AL is like IL :biggrin: ). Once you've done your very best, submit the application exactly as the MOC directs, do great in the interview, and hope.

Best of luck.
 
NJBaseball.....I live in Alabama, and my son is a plebe at the Academy, I would be glad to answer any questions you may have.

And by the way, if we all knew the answers, we wouldn't be on this forum, so don't worry it is a lot to learn....we've all been there!!

Behrsmom
 
For what it is worth: here's that list of under-represented districts again. It is not current. And keep in mind that you cannot change districts and just need to put together the best application package you possibly can.......but here's that list again.....

I pulled this list from one of the forums in the previous application cycle. A BGO posted it there. I am copying my previous copy of the list!


From a briefing to Blue and Gold Officers earlier this year. The following is a list of Under-represented districts at USNA. I do not know what criteria they used to make this determination:

New York – 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16,17
Pennsylvania – 1, 2
Ohio – 3, 5
Rhode Island – 2
New Jersey – 9, 10, 13
Massachusets – 8
Florida – 2, 3, 12, 17, 23
Georgia – 2, 5, 12, 13
North Carolina – 1, 8, 12
Virginia – 3
South Carolina – 5, 6
Illinois – 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 17
Michigan – 5, 10, 12, 14
Texas – 13, 18, 28, 29
Wisconsin – 4, 7
Kentucky – 1
Tennessee – 9
Alabama – 2, 3, 4, 7
Indiana – 7
Louisiana – 2, 3, 5
Iowa – 2
Mississippi – 2
Nebraska – 3
California – 5, 7, 8, 9, 13, 20, 21, 27, 28, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 43
North Dakota – 1
Oklahoma – 2
Arizona – 4, 7
Minnesota – 7
 
at least one

I'm from Montgomery, AL
So if you live in the second congressional district, then you have at least one competitor :thumb:
 
Back to the OP:

I agree wholeheartedly that njbaseball has a legitimate question.

I interpreted the question as how hard is it to get a nomination ( be on the slate of 10) and not how competitive it is to be the one chosen for the MOC slot. You do not have to win the slot to get an appointment. You just need to be on the slate of 10 ( or 20 if applicable). In some districts it is much harder to be on the slate because of the sheer volume of kids applying than in other districts where there is hardly any interest.

In Alabama, both Senators submit the competitive slate. Two of the Congressional Representatives do competitive slate. I don't know about the other 5 but I would guess that most of them do the competitive slate also.

So based on that, the way I see it, answering how competitive is Alabama in getting a nomination depends on two things:

1) What district do you live in?

In my District ( the 3rd most competitive district in the country behind 2 NoVa districts) we already have over 50 opened files for West Point. 16 so far from one high school alone! For just West Point. And that was at the end of June! Sure there are some that won't get past the screening level or won't follow through with applying, but when all the dust settles, there will still be a lot of kids vying for those 10 slots on the MOC's slate and if they're lucky, maybe 20 slots if the MOC has 2 vacancies.
Now if you go south about 30 miles in to the next Congressional District, there very well may not be 10 names for the Rep. to put on his slate. The odds of you being on that slate greatly increases and therefore getting a nomination there is higher than in my District.
The reason my District has so many go to West Point is because of the large number of kids that are eligible for the Presidential nom ( and of course because of the excellent quality of kids that live here :smile:) I would venture to say the same is true of the 2 NoVa districts. The MOC can choose not to put Pres. Noms on his slate therefore he is able to have nominations to go to more kids in his district than just 10.


2) What Service Academy are you applying to?

In my district, West Point is by far the Service Academy that has the most appointments. USAFA is a far second and then USNA. This is because there are a lot of AD and retired Army folks here. Your odds of being on the MOC's slate for USNA/USAFA/USMMA are higher in my District than for USMA. Now move on down to Montgomery where Maxwell AF base is and interest in USAFA increases. Move down to the coast where Mobile is and interest in USNA increases. Just makes logical sense.

So while yes you don't really have a choice in how competitive your district is, there are some advantages and disadvantages between the districts and depending on which SA you are applying to.

It does not hurt to be informed as to the competitiveness of your district. If you know that there are 30 kids vying for 10 slots and that inspires you to take the ACT/SAT again or really fine tune your essays, then GOOD!
 
buff81-

Thank you for your response/ Do you live in Alabama? WE live in District 5, the Norteast part. NOt sure how competitive our area is for the USNA. But I am guessing we will find out. YOur information was very helpful. Thanks again.
 
buff81

A BIG LOL!!! I have read so much on here that I did not even realize it was you.

HAve a blessed day
 
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