All NROTC Slots full for top 5 Choices - What Next?

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  1. 2SonsMom

    2SonsMom New Member

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    Hi All,

    I'm hoping you can give us some advice. My son received a congratulatory letter for the NROTC battalion for his 1st choice school, YEA!
    However, he was not accepted, BOO. He applied and was accepted to his 2nd and 3rd choice schools only to find out that they had no slots either. His stepdad called choices 4 & 5 and were told there were no slots there either. To say, it's been a rollercoaster would be an understatement. So now we have a hard working senior with a NROTC scholarship with no place to go. He gets a formal presentation award of his scholarship in the next few weeks. Any advice?
     
  2. House06

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    I am sorry this has happened. It must be very disappointing for your student and your family.

    I am not particularly familiar with NROTC (AROTC family experience) Is it possible to call the national headquarters and ask for advice? Also does NROTC offer campus based scholarships?

    The AROTC program that my daughter accepted to is also "full" with " 7' 4yr and "4 " 3 yr scholarships. However 4 of the four year scholarships are wrestling with potential DODMERB DQs and West Point acceptances.

    So, there is maybe a possibility that choices 2-5 might not in reality be "full" until May. I would definitely immediately begin talks with schools and your higer headquarters to ask for a workable solution. To award a scholarship to a student and then have none to offer at any school does not seem like much reward after all.
     
  3. grtkidmom

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    2sonsmom, feel your pain. NROTC contact from son's #1 school confirmed NROTC scholarship mid Dec, later the same day he received rejection from #1 school. Luckily it was early enough to transfer scholarship to #2 school which he was accepted.

    I understand it is late in the game for college apps, but does NROTC have a listing of NROTC programs with available spots. I would think schools would be willing to accept a late app for a candidate with NROTC Scholarship.

    Good Luck and I think the suggestion by house06 is right on. Many ROTC scholarship kids are awaiting go/no go for SA appointment.
     
  4. Subdude

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    2SonsMom, I am curious...can you tell us what schools 2,3,4 and 5 are? (the ones with no slots)?

    Thanks....
     
  5. BobMcMahon

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    No slots - Quota filled....

    I also have run into this problem, although with a twist: our OSO mis-informed us when our son was accepted to Norwich last November. That is the only school he was genuinely interested in due to size, major, cadet program and locale. We asked the OSO if, since he was accepted to #1 choice, does he really have to apply to the others? Answer was "no, scholarships default to 1st choice..." Well, not if Pensecola tells the school their quota for $'s is filled.

    Our son, therefore, didn't apply to the other 4 schools listed on his application. Well, low and behold, they're all full too anyway! Now with the balance of 560 USMC NROTC scholarships yet to be awarded, how can Norwich, Penn State, VMI, Virginia Tech, and Villanova all be filled?

    Woman I got on the phone at VMI explained that it has something to do with the USNA getting an accurate head-count for their plebes. Once they have certain # of "Accepted", then they release new slots to the NROTC schools. It's all a calculus of the number of Ensigns and 2nd Lt.'s they require vs an expected attrition rate.

    The good thing about Norwich is that my son received a wonderful financial aid package that will help him attend if the NROTC fails to come thru; he's received a Merit, Achivement and an Engineering scholarship. When combined with work-study, family contributions and small student loans he has nearly 70% of the total cost covered. He will then pursue a "side-load" NROTC beginning right-away.

    Good luck - Also, look at University of Maine-Orono and Maine Maritime Academy. They have rolling admissions and MMA offers a midshipment program.
     
  6. jbowman55

    jbowman55 USNA Parent 2014

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    Have you checked with 1st choice school about his chances for later admission? Is he on their waiting list or something similar (i.e., qualified, but not chosen)? Have you checked with the ROTC unit about help with admission? I know at Texas A&M, they will go to bat for you with admission.

    Naval ROTC is pretty set on having the scholarships distributed they way they have them set up. But I think calling Pensacola (?) to get his scholarship moved is worth a shot.

    Best wishes.
     
  7. rkrosnar

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    All ROTC Slots Full

    First congratulations, NROTC should have a list of schools with openings, if your son is will to go to them. You may want to speak with NROTC in Pensacola Florida or the staff who interviewed your son. Leave not stone unturned, but don't be surprised, by any outcome.

    Good luck, RGK
     
  8. jfryan

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    Based on last year's experience, contact NROTC office at all colleges that interest you. If slots available, good chance you'll get favorable response from admissions.
     
  9. suzyqnj2002

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    Hi BobMcMahon,
    My son is in the exact same position as your son. They will probably be classmates if he ends up going to Norwich. My son also got both scholarships from Norwich. We are happy that we have a good backup plan if the NROTC scholarship doesn't work out for the Citadel. I'm interested to know what you mean by "He will then pursue a "side-load" NROTC beginning right-away".
     
  10. BobMcMahon

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    All Nrotc schools full....

    Hi SuzyQ:

    Get on the phone with Norwich and speak to either Colonel Patrick Delatte, USMC, or his Executive Officer, Commander Mark Hagenlocher, USN about "side-loads".

    A side-load is an NROTC scholarship you apply for while at the school. It's administered differently because it is not a 4 yr gig, but can be 3, 2, or 1 years. Usually side-loads are provided to USMC option students. They are competitive, but you're skipping the SAT stuff, HS grades, and HS letters of recommendation.

    Here you get pre-screened and qualified by the NROTC team at the school. Unlike the the 4 yr drill where 560 4 yr scholarships are set aside for the USMC, a seperate pool of awards is made available for students in the NROTC programs.

    Mark Hagenlocher told me that Colin would have to shoot for a 3.00 GPA, a Class 1 PFT, and perform well within the NROTC program to be considered for a side-load. Will attach a link here from last August of side-load awards...

    https://www.marines.usmc.mil/G3/Officer/Docs/jul09 board results_8_4_2009_9_51_10.pdf
     
  11. grtkidmom

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    Note below links. Link 1 (11.2009) Link 2 (02.2010) reviews NROTC Scholarships numbers. Link 2 specifically reviews side load numbers. Not sure if relevant for USMC scholarships.

    Posted by Deskjockey 2 wks ago
    The Navy plans to offer 2,615 scholarships in order to yield a target of 1,050 Navy-option freshman enrollment for the 2010-11 academic year. This may or may not represent a reduction from last year, depending on whether Marine options were included in the 1,250 freshman enrollment number reported for 2009. In any event, it does not appear that the scholarship levels have been slashed. It is almost certainly the case that there is a higher level of applicants, both in terms of quantity and quality, so it is no surprise that the process is so competitive this year.

    http://www1.netc.navy.mil/nstc/nstc_...02010-2011.pdf


    Posted last week by mpkn
    I am not sure if I am posting the link properly, but if anyone can access it and advise regarding table B on page 3, does this mean there are no college program scholarships for mids in graduating years 2012 and 2013? And that there will not be for their graduating class?

    http://www1.netc.navy.mil/nstc/nstc_... 2010-11.pdf
     
  12. BobMcMahon

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    All NROTC Schools full

    GrtKidMom

    Links don't work, but that's ok - I'll figure it out and re-post.

    The headcount appears to be JUST Navy...ratio appears about right and the Navy and Marine tracks for NROTC are distinctly seperate. The USMC FY10 frost call I posted last week calls for 560 scholarship recipients. But as you read the doc, you'll see that they mean to attract double that # to screen from. I would imagine USN does same-same.

    Thanks GrtKidMom!
     
  13. BobMcMahon

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    Thanks...I knew about the other "in school" scholarships but just didn't know they were call sideload.
     
  15. Water_Force

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    You could always go college program at the top school choice and hope for the best realizing that a scholarship might not come. There are two ways that hope could come though, one through the scholarship and the other through achieving advance standing through the NROTC program as a college programmer.
     

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