Already Rejected

[Just_A_Mom]

Or DoDMERB did not make a mistake. Difficulty recovering from an injury doesn't mran you're not recovered.

This is not how DODMERB works. DODMERB works in black and white. They need to know if you have EVER had certain conditions - and they proceed from there. Lots of folks are disqualified for conditions from which they are recovered.


The DODMERB medical history form (dd2492) asks:
Have you ever had or do you now have:
18. Periods of unconciousness
19. Head injury or skull fracture.

From what the OP is telling us - he has had these two conditions. Even if he got a concussion when he was 4 years old - the answer to #19 is yes.

Once DODMERB gets the physical and this form they make a determination. IF the OP answered "yes" to #18 and/or #19 DODMERB would have asked for a questionaire, asked for remedials and then made a determination on Medical Qualification.

I am concerned that perhaps the OP did not understand or complete the medical history form correctly. Clearly there is a disconnect between the quick medical qualification and the injuries the OP is claimed to have received.

 

[AcademyHopeful_50]

Just_a_mom

I filled out, with the overwatch and review of both parents, the form to the greatest extent of detail. I am as in the dark as you are. Trust me, everything on my end has/was taken care of 100%.

Changing the subject; would a semester at northwestern prep and a semester at regular college (since NWP is only aug-dec) be a good idea?

 

[MemberLG]

. . . would a semester at northwestern prep and a semester at regular college (since NWP is only aug-dec) be a good idea?

My personal opinion is that there is no difference as long as you get good grades and do extra activities while attending college.

My personal opinion, a regular college give you more options whereas NWP will require you to transfer or take semester off (based on Aug - Dec comment). Does NWP have a ROTC program? If not at a regular college with ROTC, you could get ROTC nomination.

 

[hormiga13]

I know Im a little late, but I personally find it a little odd that you were rejected for three C's. I've got other things going for me, but I've received more C's than A's in high school, ended a class with a D+ last year, and still recieved a LOA to USMA. Definitly not grades to be proud of, but USNA has only expressed a concern about my weight. My grades were never mentioned. Seems like there was something more than grades involved. Good luck with everything, hope to see you at the army-navy game two years from now!

 

[GoSox]

I know Im a little late, but I personally find it a little odd that you were rejected for three C's. I've got other things going for me, but I've received more C's than A's in high school, ended a class with a D+ last year, and still recieved a LOA to USMA. Definitly not grades to be proud of, but USNA has only expressed a concern about my weight. My grades were never mentioned. Seems like there was something more than grades involved. Good luck with everything, hope to see you at the army-navy game two years from now!

Particularly without knowing what "other things [you have] going for you" are, your opinion (based an a sample size of you) that Mooradian's low grades were not the main reason for his rejection is not helpful. He was given reasons by USNA Admissions, and he plans to re-apply and try to address the shortcomings. All the additional speculation won't do a bit but possibly add salt to the wound of the decision.

 

[Whistle Pig]

I know Im a little late, but I personally find it a little odd that you were rejected for three C's. I've got other things going for me, but I've received more C's than A's in high school, ended a class with a D+ last year, and still recieved a LOA to USMA. Definitly not grades to be proud of, but USNA has only expressed a concern about my weight. My grades were never mentioned. Seems like there was something more than grades involved. Good luck with everything, hope to see you at the army-navy game two years from now!

And if you've received a final grade of D+, it leads to wondering about several things. Would you help the group to learn?

What was the D+ course?

What do you think led to a USMA LOA? Clearly you have more to bring to the Army party, it seems. Congrats, btw! Clearly you have a package that has enabled your overcoming what for many would be a deal-breaker. Any insights about what they see in your potential?

While not fully disparate, Army and Navy are significantly different in their admissions policies and guidelines, as you are discovering. I'd beg to suggest if you are "surprised" about a rejection of a traditional USNA candidate with 3 Cs, 2 of which are in math and science in a junior season and are a gnat's eyelash away from being 2 Ds, then you might well want to read more on this forum. The surprise might well be that this could be ignored.

 

[Midparenthopeful]

Big Question

This may have been asked, but I did not see my question. If you Mooradian was rejected, why would USNA continue to pursue a candidate and invite you to a CVW? A CVW combined with a reject, does not make sense to me. Am I missing something?

 

[Whistle Pig]

You are not. I posed the same. It may be simply as a matter of courtesy at this point, as the invite had been extended prior to the "thin enveloping."

You are correct though. The purpose of the CVW is to expose particularly attractive and viable candidates to "real life" as a recruiting/retention vehicle.

Thanks for asking. Perhaps Mooradian has some different insight.

 

[Vista123]

All the additional speculation won't do a bit but possibly add salt to the wound of the decision.

We have to be sensitive to two aspects of the Mooradian posts.

The first is that he was "already rejected" he writes:

I found out several minutes ago that I have been rejected, already, Seems like the last 4 years have been for nothing. I've wanted this so bad..

which is sad for the posters to think about and we remain empathetic and compassionate to his plight.

However, The second aspect to Mooradian posts that we need to be sensitive to is the path that Mooradian takes us down as he posts of optimism and hope for a future appointment. He asks of the memebers of the forum:

if anyone has any insight into my situation, please let me know.

If we are sympathetic to his plight and want to encourage his desires to attend the academy then tips and suggestions may be required. Just_A_Mom and hormiga13's post to look for additional reasons/details does seem to have merit on the face of others being admitted with more than 3 Cs on their report card.

If Mooradian desperately wants to put this puzzle together, and people are telling him he seems to be missing pieces, is that rubbing salt in the wounds or being helpful?

 

[Memphis9489]

I know Im a little late, but I personally find it a little odd that you were rejected for three C's. I've got other things going for me, but I've received more C's than A's in high school, ended a class with a D+ last year, and still recieved a LOA to USMA. Definitly not grades to be proud of, but USNA has only expressed a concern about my weight. My grades were never mentioned. Seems like there was something more than grades involved. Good luck with everything, hope to see you at the army-navy game two years from now!

That's almost unbelievable!

More C's than A's?? D+??

I can't resist asking but, are you a recruited athlete?

What are your "other things" because this would shoot down just about any candidate, regardless of what "other things" they had going for them. At best, such a candidate would be a talented athlete and probably headed for the prep school at that - not direct admission.

I'm not as well versed in USMA admission standards, but I have to believe this is not typical.

 

[Pima]

I agree Memphis, more Cs than As and a D+ does not seem to me that they would be offered an LOA unless they are a recruited athlete. In VA it would be hard to get a nom with those kind of stats, let alone an LOA this early.

 

[Vista123]

I I've got other things going for me, but I've received more C's than A's in high school, ended a class with a D+ last year, and still recieved a LOA to USMA.

This poster has previously posted his stats. His statement is accurate.

 

[Whistle Pig]

Can you specify or direct readers to that post, pls?

 

[Whistle Pig]

That's almost unbelievable!

More C's than A's?? D+??

I can't resist asking but, are you a recruited athlete?

What are your "other things" because this would shoot down just about any candidate, regardless of what "other things" they had going for them. At best, such a candidate would be a talented athlete and probably headed for the prep school at that - not direct admission.

I'm not as well versed in USMA admission standards, but I have to believe this is not typical.

Doesn't appear to be recruited athlete. He's shared some data on post #3, USMA forum, "Athletics question" thread that lends insight to LOA candidacy.

 

[GoSox]

We have to be sensitive to two aspects of the Mooradian posts.

The first is that he was "already rejected" he writes: which is sad for the posters to think about and we remain empathetic and compassionate to his plight.

However, The second aspect to Mooradian posts that we need to be sensitive to is the path that Mooradian takes us down as he posts of optimism and hope for a future appointment. He asks of the memebers of the forum: If we are sympathetic to his plight and want to encourage his desires to attend the academy then tips and suggestions may be required. Just_A_Mom and hormiga13's post to look for additional reasons/details does seem to have merit on the face of others being admitted with more than 3 Cs on their report card.

If Mooradian desperately wants to put this puzzle together, and people are telling him he seems to be missing pieces, is that rubbing salt in the wounds or being helpful?

I get that this is an internet forum, and Mooradian entered the fray. I also agree that folks are trying to be helpful, including in raising questions. My take is based on the fact that he has reported back the following: USNA admissions, in response to his inquiries, specifically flagged his poor junior year grades; those with access to his teacher recs confirmed they were positive and not an issue in the decision; and that he was cleared by DODMERB after being honest and complete in reporting his medical history. He is now moving forward on a path towards re-applying, so it strikes me (others disagree I'm sure) that to keep harping on potentially hidden reasons for the decision isn't helpful to the young man in question or to the Advancement of Human Knowledge.

So yeah, I'm going to stick with my "NaCl in the wound" viewpoint, while recognizing no ill intent on the part of other posters.

 

[AcademyHopeful_50]

I get that this is an internet forum, and Mooradian entered the fray. I also agree that folks are trying to be helpful, including in raising questions. My take is based on the fact that he has reported back the following: USNA admissions, in response to his inquiries, specifically flagged his poor junior year grades; those with access to his teacher recs confirmed they were positive and not an issue in the decision; and that he was cleared by DODMERB after being honest and complete in reporting his medical history. He is now moving forward on a path towards re-applying, so it strikes me (others disagree I'm sure) that to keep harping on potentially hidden reasons for the decision isn't helpful to the young man in question or to the Advancement of Human Knowledge.

So yeah, I'm going to stick with my "NaCl in the wound" viewpoint, while recognizing no ill intent on the part of other posters.

I have a meeting with an admissions officer today when I arrive to check-in for the CVW. Again, what I was told over the phone is the C's held me back. I may/may not find out more today.

 

[Whistle Pig]

Hang in there ... just do your best. Listen carefully to that CGO. Ask lots of good, to-the-point questions that will provide answers beneficial. Plan accordingly. Execute well. Enjoy your time on the Yard! GO NAVY! You're going to be fine, no matter where you land.

 

[GoSox]

I have a meeting with an admissions officer today when I arrive to check-in for the CVW. Again, what I was told over the phone is the C's held me back. I may/may not find out more today.

Good luck! I think you'll be holding a commission some day (hopefully from USMA if that continues to be your dream).

 

[AcademyHopeful_50]

USMA may turn out favorably; I know USMA puts more value into SATs, and I have received an invite for a visit. I was also invited to an admissions event (apparently they are invite only) but I'm not quite sure.

I want to serve as an officer, and I want to use my body and mind to do so. USNA and USMA both have fantastic opportunities in the area that I want to go into; I want to be a SOF/groundpounder, and USNA/Navy has the Marine Corps, SEALS, and SWCC, and USMA/Army has Rangers, regular infantry, and Special Forces.

Hopefully West Point turns out well.

If not, I will be reapplying to both starting in about 8 months.

 

[GoSox]

Good luck! I think you'll be holding a commission some day (hopefully from USMA if that continues to be your dream).

Holy Naval Alumni Association, Batman! I am embarrassed -- I meant to type "hopefully from USNA if that continues to be your dream." However, I wish you all the best with your application to West Point -- you sound like you've got a lot to offer, whether as a cadet or midshipman, and certainly as a potential officer.

You've got some folks in cyberspace pulling for you.